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Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by HenryBemis »

linotype wrote: post #41
whatever1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot avoid FB. They literally stalk you everywhere and sell your info to advertisers. You are their product whether you like it or not.

It’s easy to delete your account though. They may still track you, but you’re not feeding the attention machine.

It won't 'protect' you. They still track you and have a shadow account for you, and sell the data. FB is a cancer that won't go away until we/you do.

You can protect yourself by blocking all 'social media buttons' (as LI or Pinterest do the same), and for FB block every domain they use and their range of IPs. But there are so many trackers that will (eventually) get the 'job' done, so you either do 'more' (replace hosts file, add firewall on your Android and block ad broker, doubleclick, adjust, mopub, google analytics, etc. etc (loooooong list).

Surveillance capitalism is not going anywhere. Where money can be made, money will be made.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by blitzar »

aoanevdus wrote: post #50
CaptainZapp wrote: post #4

She said Wynn-Williams’ allegations about Kaplan are false, and in a Thursday statement, she called the book “defamatory” and alleged that Wynn-Williams had skipped “the industry’s standard fact-checking process. (emph, mine) This, coming from a Meta spokesperson, is rather rich.

I’m curious what would be considered the industry standard for fact checking in tech. Does Google Search, Apple App Store, TikTok, Snapchat, Amazon store, etc. apply fact-checking to the content posted by users/sellers? Or more abstractly, is fact-checking the responsibility of authors and content editors, or of platforms and infrastructure that spread the content?

Wikipedia is the gold standard. Good enough is asking Grok.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by [deleted] »

kumarvvr wrote: post #20

We still haven't found out how to use the internet to socialize, without resorting to giving power to a central entity. If there is something out there that can do this, profitably, then we can kiss these mega social giants good bye. I heard about the Blue Sky protocol, but it still feels primitive.

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Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by blitzar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19
dzonga wrote: post #9

you don't become a global ceo without being an absolute killer and not having non-questionable morals. I can make up different stuff about how a ceo can be amoral, and those would still apply to zuck / {{ whoelse }} book meant to be sold at airports for bored people. non-story.

> you don't become a global ceo without being an absolute killer This is nonsense. Plenty of good people are wildly successful. The difference is they aren’t addicted to the role, and so see a future for themselves beyond it. Connecting with that future self, in turn, effects their decisions today—at work, at home, in society. We have a cadre of sociopaths leading our commercial giants. That is a fixable problem. Say…

Boards have a lot to answer for, and in theory at least, this is their responsibility.

It did not work out that well for the OpenAi board however.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by wodenokoto »

isoprophlex wrote: post #7

Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

> My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there's two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you're giving birth?!

Kind of reminds me of this Simpsons joke: "Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen."

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by lynx97 »

blitzar wrote: post #46
kelnos wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there's two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you're giving birth?! Sure, but you can look at this in one of two ways. One is the way you seem to be angling for, where we have an employee who is so disturbingly eager to please that she continues to do work at absurd times when no one should ever e…

If Sandberg was a man it would not have happened. Woman-on-Woman violence in the workplace has to stop, instead of trying to constantly take each other down they need to be better allies to other women. Especially true for those that aspire to be role models for successful women and write books about how to "Lean In".

I am sorry, but this attitude is sexist. My allies are those I can relate to, those which I can cooperate with. I don't pick my allies based on gender, and nor should you. And you shouldn't coerce anyone into forming alliances based on gender. It is the person that matters, not their gender or race or whatever other random attribute.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by roywashere »

isoprophlex wrote: post #7

Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

> Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos...

People amassing more money than entire countries just should not happen. "Eat the rich"!

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by blitzar »

lynx97 wrote: post #56
blitzar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Sandberg was a man it would not have happened. Woman-on-Woman violence in the workplace has to stop, instead of trying to constantly take each other down they need to be better allies to other women. Especially true for those that aspire to be role models for successful women and write books about how to "Lean In".

I am sorry, but this attitude is sexist. My allies are those I can relate to, those which I can cooperate with. I don't pick my allies based on gender, and nor should you. And you shouldn't coerce anyone into forming alliances based on gender. It is the person that matters, not their gender or race or whatever other random attribute.

Its sexism all the way down - Sandberg would not have done that to a male subordinate (who's wife was giving birth) and a male boss would not have done that to Wynn-Williams.

Women should not discriminate against women in the workplace because they are women.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by guax »

wisty wrote: post #45

> A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they've always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the "don't be evil" Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can't think of many less ideal driven companies. Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into usi…

I remember de people graph search when no privacy settings really existed and people kept complete and updated profiles. It was the ultimate stalker took. Absolute batshit crazy that it existed even for the short time it did.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Post by alex1138 »

dep_b wrote: post #16
dzonga wrote: post #9

you don't become a global ceo without being an absolute killer and not having non-questionable morals. I can make up different stuff about how a ceo can be amoral, and those would still apply to zuck / {{ whoelse }} book meant to be sold at airports for bored people. non-story.

This is probably true if you look at all big tech companies, but before Windows, MacOS, Oracle Databases or IBM computers did not have the responsibility of dealing with the communication and shaping of world view of billions of people world wide. It's the same as owning a large share of news papers or TV channels. You own the public discourse. If Larry Ellison is a greedy immoral bastard I switch to MS SQL Server, o…

I know your comment isn't about Elon specifically and I have my own reservations about some of what he does, but it's important to point out (and maybe this depends on what you call "misinformation", it shapes all future discussion) that Twitter absolutely was censoring for partisan reasons (before he bought it; I know some have complained Musk does indeed ban his critics) including silencing covid dissent, real doctors and researchers getting kicked off. Him acquiring it was absolutely necessary to break the deadlock

Edit: We do not want our platforms to be owned by someone like Susan Wojcicki who inflated her own importance and who thought mass censorship is ok (Google has really abrogated their responsibility here)

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