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Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by chimeracoder »

dagw wrote: post #48
ghuntley wrote: post #43

We just lost another Aaron Swartz. Without Carl, there would have been no https://prq.se/ . Without Pauraque, there would be no WikiLeaks, Pirate Bay and a host of other big things that fundamentally shaped the world. Shit, governments were toppled.

Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after?

> Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after?

Another question to add to that list: Do you think that the rest of Aaron Swartz's life work was so inconsequential compared to the one thing that everyone seems to remember him for simply because it led to his death, that it justifies this comparison? Is that not relevant in deciding whether to draw a comparison between these two individuals who could not have been more different, both in terms of political ideology and in terms of how they integrated that ideology into their daily lives and actions?

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by chimeracoder »

antiracist wrote: post #47
dagw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you consider using your inherited wealth to bankroll white nationalist political candidates also part of the "true hacker spirit". Carl may have been part of TPB for a small part of his life, but his true life long passion and calling was always first and foremost to be a dedicated and passionate white nationalist.

The joy of driving artists and musicians into bankruptcy is more important than any of that, apparently.

> The joy of driving artists and musicians into bankruptcy is more important than any of that, apparently.

Comments like these distract from the larger point you're making because they misrepresent the nature of the effect that TPB (and similar services) actually have had on artists, and on the historical relationship between artists and the capital class throughout history.

It's a common misconception that filesharing harms artists - that's a misconception put forth by the RIAA and its ilk because it harms them. In reality, the relationship is much more complicated, because artists aren't the ones who directly benefit from album sales anyway, and they are themselves often exploited by the record labels who are the ones directly harmed by filesharing (to the extent that you believe filesharing even constitutes harm, which is a separate and debated point).

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by dagw »

chimeracoder wrote: post #51
dagw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after?

> Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after? Another question to add to that list: Do you think that the rest of Aaron Swartz's life work was so inconsequential com…

Both Swartz and Lundström seemed to have been first and foremost passionate and unyielding about their politics and I'm sure they both considered their lifelong political activism their true meaningful work, certainly much more important than the things they're most remembered for. Both were willing to sink their considerable wealth into furthering their political causes. Both realised early that the internet would be a vital platform and 'battle ground' for spreading their politics. Both have been willing to break the law in the name of their political ideology.

I guess when I put it like that, they actually do have a lot in common.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by chimeracoder »

dagw wrote: post #53
chimeracoder wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you think Carl's life long political activism outside of hosting TPB should be taken into account when deciding whether to compare him Aaron Swartz or not? Or do you think that his actions with TPB where so noble and important that it outweighs anything else he might have done before and after? Another question to add to that list: Do you think that the rest of Aaron Swartz's life work was so inconsequential com…

Both Swartz and Lundström seemed to have been first and foremost passionate and unyielding about their politics and I'm sure they both considered their lifelong political activism their true meaningful work, certainly much more important than the things they're most remembered for. Both were willing to sink their considerable wealth into furthering their political causes. Both realised early that the internet would b…

I can tell you that Aaron Swartz would not be happy to hear that comparison were he alive today, particularly that last part.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by akimbostrawman »

chimeracoder wrote: post #52
antiracist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The joy of driving artists and musicians into bankruptcy is more important than any of that, apparently.

> The joy of driving artists and musicians into bankruptcy is more important than any of that, apparently. Comments like these distract from the larger point you're making because they misrepresent the nature of the effect that TPB (and similar services) actually have had on artists, and on the historical relationship between artists and the capital class throughout history. It's a common misconception that fileshari…

>It's a common misconception that filesharing harms artists

Case in point EU study proving that.

https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-...

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by bjoli »

antiracist wrote: post #32

Essential reading for anyone curious about Carl Lundström's life outside of bankrolling The Pirate Bay: https://www.theregister.com/2012/09/21/pirate_bay_fascist_ba... https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/26/pirate_bay_neo_nazi > Lundström was linked to a gang of skinheads that attacked Latin American tourists in Stockholm in the mid-1980s. Over the years, Lundström has switched his support from Keep Sweden Swedish to…

BSS ("keep Sweden Swedish") were Nazis. I am old enough to remember them heiling in the streets (real proper heiling, not the kind you accidentally do at a presidential inauguration. Twice). He never really managed to distance himself from that. Not that he seemed to try.

Outside of financing thepiratebay ge spent most of his life hiding assets from being taxed. And he also lobbied an anti-tax organisation for an even-lower-tax policy.

The only good thing about the whole pirate bay court saga was that he lost a lot of money he would have otherwise used to push his far right-agenda.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by akimbostrawman »

antiracist wrote: post #45
ghuntley wrote: post #43

We just lost another Aaron Swartz. Without Carl, there would have been no https://prq.se/ . Without Pauraque, there would be no WikiLeaks, Pirate Bay and a host of other big things that fundamentally shaped the world. Shit, governments were toppled.

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Yes yes we get it move along. Everybody you don't like is literally hitler.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by dagw »

chimeracoder wrote: post #54
dagw wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Swartz and Lundström seemed to have been first and foremost passionate and unyielding about their politics and I'm sure they both considered their lifelong political activism their true meaningful work, certainly much more important than the things they're most remembered for. Both were willing to sink their considerable wealth into furthering their political causes. Both realised early that the internet would b…

I can tell you that Aaron Swartz would not be happy to hear that comparison were he alive today, particularly that last part.

Oh absolutely. I think it's very safe to say that Aaron Swartz would have hated everything Carl Lundstöm stood for. I was being slightly facetious with my comparison.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder Carl Lundström has died

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Post by dagw »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #57
antiracist wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Yes yes we get it move along. Everybody you don't like is literally hitler.

Carl Lundström was literally an active member of a group that would literally wear Nazi symbols and openly shout sieg heil while doing the Nazi salute in public.
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