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Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Apps should respond to events like this by becoming smaller--so that you can only collaborate with people on your network partition. Most of the time they instead break altogether. The future is way to uncertain to assume a reliably connected future, which is what most of our tech is doing.

Most of our tech has been developed in stable advanced developed countries.

> stable

I wouldn't be too certain about that.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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What are the best ways for citizens to get their own p2p internet going?

Not exactly P2P, but I think the fibre optic drones used in Russia/Ukraine could be effective for regaining internet access in Africa. Those drones have 10km+ fibre optic cables stringing out the back. Fly it to a different country, hook up to a friendly wifi/cellular network, then pipe your general purpose internet traffic through the fibre optic cable. This wouldn't work everywhere. But for small Africa countries w…

"Internet is a little flaky today. Probably a bird perching on the fiber."

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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What are the best ways for citizens to get their own p2p internet going?

the Internet Protocol, IP, is already peer to peer. Assign yourself an address (V6) and get a peer, assign them an address, plug in a cable, voila! Get a switch and another computer and you have an Internet. Ok, we would generally call it an "intranet," but that's because -the- Internet with a capital I is specifically a net of intranets. So, if you were to start an ISP, which is the proposal, you would buy an uplink…

IP is P2P, but a lot of the layers built on top of it are centralized, and very vulnerable to attack. DNS is hierarchical with 13 root name servers. Google is a private company, but if websearch ever goes offline, the utility of the Internet decreases dramatically. Some stupid percentage of webhosts are protected by Cloudflare; Cloudflare outages have taken large portions of the Internet offline. Same with AWS on the backend; when AWS has gone down, people find that a large number of the websites they depend upon go down too. Most people's consumer IPs are blocked off from the public Internet by their ISP and NAT.

Actually using an Internet based on IP addresses alone is ridiculously difficult. Quick, tell me how the IP protocol works using IP addresses alone! You can't type anything other than IP addresses into the address bar of your computer, and your browser can't make any secondary requests unless they're to a raw IP address. No using Google or Wikipedia unless you have their IP addresses memorized and have HOST file entries for all the secondary resources they request. You can't use HN to tell me; you need to find my computer's IP address and SSH in to me. Oh, and whatever certificate validation SSH does can't make any network requests to a DNS entry.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Here, in Spain, internet access is cut off for many websites during football matches because La Liga, the association football league, is in war against cloudflare for not blocking their allegedly offending websites. Or something like that. Today, I tried to look up a word on a dictionary and I got an error message. “There must be a football game going on right now”. I thought

Maybe DDoS their fax machines? "Toner or paper is empty!!!", white on black, 999 copies. sigh

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Previously discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43157000

Ah the old misunderstood IP address. It's not a street address guys!

Even if it were, you still need to prove the person you are accusing is in the building!

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DIY mesh networks (I'm speaking of Wi-Fi, not Meshtastic, but even that has its place), isolated pirateboxes, dead drops, and (horror of horrors) going to the pub and talking to people . It's trivial for a government to make the first one illegal and relatively trivial to enforce it, but difficult in increasing magnitude for them to actually control the remainder.

Have WiFi mesh networks ever been proven to work at scale? The few experiments that I've seen seemed to be slow and unreliable. And in order to be of any real value, at least one of those mesh network nodes needs a connection to the real Internet.

I believe NYC has had one running for quite some time.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Here, in Spain, internet access is cut off for many websites during football matches because La Liga, the association football league, is in war against cloudflare for not blocking their allegedly offending websites. Or something like that. Today, I tried to look up a word on a dictionary and I got an error message. “There must be a football game going on right now”. I thought

Truly a case where VPNs do make sense.

VPNs would not make sense if the actual ISP if blocking you.

Apart from something like starlink and even then they're not playing nice with geographical access most of the time based on politics, whims of a narcissist, or just business.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think it's a stretch? If Starlink wants to legally operate in a country as an ISP then it has to comply with the laws of that country. Just because it's using satellites instead of locally deployed physical infrastructure doesn't absolve it from ISP and general telecomunications regulations of a country. So if the Spanish government were to make a law saying all ISPs must block the following domains for wh…

Out of curiosity, is there anything technical the Spanish authorities could do to block Starlink (i.e jamming)? Or are legal/bureaucratic measures the only solution?

Hopefully not something that can happen in Spain, but in authoritarian countries they simply arrest or otherwise penalize the end users.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Some might say the other countries should stay out of it. For example people might say Switzerland should stay out of those nations issues. However, if Switzerland provided technology thought a normal market or not, to the rulers, they have already interfered with the natural progression of that nation. There is no hope of the people making the situation better while Switzerland is providing the rulers with tech and they're keeping it from the people.

Re: Internet shutdowns at record high in Africa as access 'weaponised'

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Here, in Spain, internet access is cut off for many websites during football matches because La Liga, the association football league, is in war against cloudflare for not blocking their allegedly offending websites. Or something like that. Today, I tried to look up a word on a dictionary and I got an error message. “There must be a football game going on right now”. I thought

I'm beginning to think Europe needs to just dry out from soccer for a year or two. Like, we're impacting communications now.

This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. It's as if Coca-Cola were allowed to tell my water company to turn off my tap water for a few hours because I should be drinking their soda at lunchtime.
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