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Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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I've only heard bad things about privacyguides.org. https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/thnjjf/priva...

This post is 3 years old and mostly talking about a completely different website, because the poster didn’t know privacyguides.org moved to a new domain after the old one was hijacked.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/thnjjf/comme...

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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Well, it's true that a password manager is a single point of failure. If you have two password managers then they can serve as backups for each other. Unfortunately that means you have to register each account twice.

Just use a password manager that allows you to have a local copy of everything (e.g. KeePass) and just back it up as any other file

That could work, assuming your usual file backup methods are secure enough and it doesn't create a circular dependency.

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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The article praises passkeys for not even needing email for login, but omits to mention recovery flow. How do you recover your account if you lost your access to the passkey provider, and you didn't provide an email address? So, I think "not even needing email" is unlikely for foreseeable future, unless we find other ways to authenticate people reliably.

The article glosses over much more than that. Everything towards the end feels like provided talking points without the same scrutiny that the current situation is given.

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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What if the provider of the major implementation decides to shut you out of your account?

That depends on whether you need to have an active account to use your existing devices. For example, an Apple user would need to migrate before things fall out of sync but they have a full copy on every device. The fallback path here is what you’d do with any other MFA loss. It’s not a federated login system so you’d be looking at some kind of account recovery process for each of the sites where you used your passke…

This is incorrect, there is no fallback once they have shut you out. The correct answer is to not use a passkey that's managed by the device ecosystem.

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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Closer to having your existed devices work similar to a yubikey: it’s a signed challenge-response, per-site, instead of a single shared key.

That and the hypothetical ability to use different private keys per device, which could be canceled in case of loss or theft, seems legitimately useful. Not interested unless and until there's a standalone, standardized, open-source, cold-backup'ed way to use passkeys though.

Try out KeepassXC :)

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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Passwords are still leakable, guessable, and can be phished. Passkeys are “second-factor-only”: your device responds to a challenge and acts in a similar capacity to a yubikey. The private keys contain much more entropy than a password, never leave the device, and the challenges and responses are both signed with site-specific keys so they can’t be phished. So from a security perspective, a lot is gained. From a user…

Until you lose the device. Or you're given security codes and those are again, leakable and guessable. No normal user is going to accept their phone being stolen and losing access to their bank account. It's bitcoin as unregulated fiat levels of wishful thinking

Registering your phone as a passkey through Apple or Google will cloud-sync the key. This isn’t great for isolation, but is pretty good for availability.

Using something like KeepassXC puts you in charge of your own backups.

I’m sure we can all find people for whom one or the other would be preferable.

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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I really don't want to use Passkeys until they can be stored in my password manager of choice on Linux, Android and Windows.

1Password ticks all these boxes.

It doesn't support using the passkeys in chrome for android as far as I'm aware

Re: Toward a Passwordless Future

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The problem with passkeys is that they couple a security credential to a device containing lots of personal information. I don't take my phone into certain countries where I sometimes travel, but I do bring my yubikey. I get the security benefits without the exposure of everything that's on my phone.
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