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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by Confiks »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #23

Fun fact: this is quite likely illegal to do in the EU. If it should or should not be legal is a different question, but my understanding of present day law makes this not permissible.

It's not illegal, but unlawful for data controllers to process such personal data without free permission. But in this case there's likely an exception in GDPR article 85, for "For processing carried out for journalistic purposes or the purpose of academic artistic or literary expression" [1].

[1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng#art_85

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by Propelloni »

sergers wrote: post #20
netsharc wrote: post #4

He (oh he is you, OP) has got a lot of different projects, including one that was tracking people on EarthCam streams and trying to find their Instagram post (or the other way around): https://driesdepoorter.be/thefollower/ , which went sort of viral: https://mashable.com/article/instagram-stalking-ai-facial-re... I wonder why you self-promote and repost your "old" stuff though..

Yea kind of odd when the last post by which the submission about is from 2022 when it appears to be last active. If there was some update, revelation, or even just being active. I am seeing this person being referred as an "artist". Thinking its a ploy for sales... they arent really selling anything i would consider valuable or sellable (eye of the beholder?).

> they arent really selling anything i would consider valuable or sellable (eye of the beholder?).

Which meshes well with art, so maybe the OP, in fact, is an artist.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by amiga386 »

bondarchuk wrote: post #34
neilv wrote: post #17

This seems to be an art installation, but I see no explanation of what it means. Is there subtext that's obvious to someone from Belgium (e.g., politicians on phones is a known hot issue)? Or is the viewer supposed to interpret? BTW, if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones while in meetings, you're doing really well, count your blessings.

Obviously the subtext is that they are faffing off on their phones and not using their presence at a parliamentary meeting to represent the interests of their constituents in that meeting, which is what they were elected to do. Though from that perspective we should also focus some more on the empty seats, then.

It's somewhat tricky to measure the effectiveness of your MP, because of course their work output is politics.

We have https://www.theyworkforyou.com/ in the UK, which is a fantastic site, listing everything your MP does in Parliament. But the truth is that most MPs always vote exactly how their party tells them, and rarely speak. The main chamber in Parliament is mostly national debate on how to run the country, and amendments and motions are put forward outwith that chamber, by teams of MPs communicating with the Speaker's office.

Most MPs in the Commons are just waiting their turn to speak, and they wrote their speech the day before. The rest only turn up at voting time, and vote how they were told to by their party, then leave again. They don't listen to speeches, it's not going to make them vote differently.

So perhaps we need all the MP's official emails and texts to truly scrutinize their activity. Their presence and focus in the chamber is of limited importance.

What's more useful, IMHO, are when MPs join the various Parliamentary committees and listen to witnesses, scrutinize legislation line-by-line, and such. Those are meetings where I'd like MPs to be fully focused.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by sureglymop »

tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

Also, it ignores that perhaps sometimes slacking off (or perhaps better "taking a break") may be a good thing.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by suddenclarity »

neilv wrote: post #17

This seems to be an art installation, but I see no explanation of what it means. Is there subtext that's obvious to someone from Belgium (e.g., politicians on phones is a known hot issue)? Or is the viewer supposed to interpret? BTW, if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones while in meetings, you're doing really well, count your blessings.

> if the main complaint that you have about your politicians is that they sometimes look at their phones

It's just a cheap shot to rile up people that don't know better. Actively listening and arguing with opposition in the Parliament have very little to do with actual politics.

Swedish newspapers do a similar thing every year when they name and shame the politicians that submitted the fewest bills, making no mention of the fact that they are all useless and will be rejected in the current system. Somewhat related, The Social Democrats abuse the system and use AI to generate hundreds of questions each month that the government have to research and give written responses to. It's all a ton of pointless work that have negative impact on actually getting things done.

I'm confident most people can agree that Belgium have worse problems. Without knowing the details, I believe them going two years without a government had more impact than politicians using their phones while waiting for their time to speak or vote.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by potato3732842 »

tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

Even if they're not paying attention it's likely a "this issue is not a me issue, I'm gonna re-read my notes or the summary memo for the next me issue" situation.

People don't generally slack of when a legislative body has a hearing. That's basically their "game day".

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by mcculley »

What I found more amusing when in meetings with government officials is their constant use of two phones, one officially issued and one personal. There is a lot more use of the personal phone in official meetings than there should be. They have been trained to do as little as possible on the phone more likely to be subject to a subpoena.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by [deleted] »

tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by float4 »

tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

You call it silly because you could be doing useful stuff on your phone. I'd go one step further and say that even if you're slacking off that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everybody, including politicians, slacks off from time to time. Be it due to stress, awful sleep because the neighbor's dog barked all night, illness, or something else. It's just human and there's little wrong with it as long as you do your job well most of the time.
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