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QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

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Re: QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

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>>In the initial stage, we scale RL specifically for math and coding tasks. Rather than relying on traditional reward models, we utilized an accuracy verifier for math problems to ensure the correctness of final solutions and a code execution server to assess whether the generated codes successfully pass predefined test cases

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They should call this the siphon/sifter model of RL.

You siphon only the initial domains, then sift to the solution....

Re: QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

#52

I love that emphasizing math learning and coding leads to general reasoning skills. Probably works the same in humans, too. 20x smaller than Deep Seek! How small can these go? What kind of hardware can run this?

Just ran this on a 4000RTX with 24gb of vram and it struggles to load, but it’s very fast once the model loads.

Re: QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

#53
It says "wait" (as in "wait, no, I should do X") so much while reasoning it's almost comical. I also ran into the "catastrophic forgetting" issue that others have reported - it sometimes loses the plot after producing a lot of reasoning tokens.

Overall though quite impressive if you're not in a hurry.

Re: QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

#54

Chinese strategy is open-source software part and earn on robotics part. And, They are already ahead of everyone in that game. These things are pretty interesting as they are developing. What US will do to retain its power? BTW I am Indian and we are not even in the race as country. :(

If I had to guess, more tariffs and sanctions that increase the competing nation's self-reliance and harm domestic consumers. Perhaps my peabrain just can't comprehend the wisdom of policymakers on the sanctions front, but it just seems like all it does is empower the target long-term.

The tarrifs are for the US to build it's own domestic capabilities, but this will ultimately shift the rest of the world's trade away from the US and toward each other. It's a trade-off – no pun intended – between local jobs/national security and downgrading their own economy/geo-political standing/currency. Anyone who's been making financial bets on business as usual for globalization is going to see a bit of a speed bump over the next few years, but in the long term it's the US taking an L to undo decades of undermining their own peoples' prospects from offshoring their entire manufacturing capability. Their trump card - still no pun intended - is their military capability, which the world will have to wean themselves off first.

Re: QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

#57
post #39

Note the massive context length (130k tokens). Also because it would be kinda pointless to generate a long CoT without enough context to contain it and the reply. EDIT: Here we are. My first prompt created a CoT so long that it catastrophically forgot the task (but I don't believe I was near 130k -- using ollama with fp16 model). I asked one of my test questions with a coding question totally unrelated to what it say…

that's interesting... i've been noticing similar issues with long context windows & forgetting. are you seeing that the model drifts more towards the beginning of the context or is it seemingly random?

i've also been experimenting with different chunking strategies to see if that helps maintain coherence over larger contexts. it's a tricky problem.

Re: QwQ-32B: Embracing the Power of Reinforcement Learning

#60

I love that emphasizing math learning and coding leads to general reasoning skills. Probably works the same in humans, too. 20x smaller than Deep Seek! How small can these go? What kind of hardware can run this?

It needs about 22 GB of memory after 4 bit AWQ quantization. So top end consumer cards like Nvidia's 3090 - 5090 or AMD's 7900 XTX will run it.
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