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DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by chefandy »

taylorius wrote: post #27
jimbokun wrote: post #19

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I don't think there's any stopping it, unfortunately. The internet is too good at "optimising" content. The future is Mr Beast, Instagram hotties and 6 pack guys, tiktok morons and onlyfans. Be happy, the market has spoken.

People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. If you didn't understand what they don't, you'd realize that companies spending billions of dollars to create tools that make cheap simulacra of artists' work to sell them at a loss to crush them in their own markets was merely the natural progression of artistic praxis. Despite it being economically unsustainable and clearly only cheap until it craters the value of artistic skill, these tools have democratized creativity. Instead of creation only being available to those with the interest and willingness to practice and develop their artistic sense, process, and skill, they're now broadly available to anyone willing to pay money for a subscription service that will obviously soon be a hell of a lot more expensive, or shell out a few thousands dollars for a top-tier video card that you almost certainly already have in your gaming rig, anyway. This is silicon valley progress and if you don't like it, you're a communist.

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by vitiral »

ravi-delia wrote: post #26
jimbokun wrote: post #19

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This is why we never should have invented the phonograph. People who want to listen to music can just buy a record, making it literally impossible for them to perform an activity humans ENJOY doing. Without it everyone would surely be making all their own music, and nothing valuable would be lost

There are like 6 core activities that bind humans together: shared creation of food, myth and music; co habitation, protection, child rearing.

We've done these things ourselves for hundreds of thousands of years. As we are increasingly convinced to buy them for convenience we loose the very things that make us know our connectedness.

So ya, there are real problems caused by the convenience of technology

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by voxl »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #4

If I am to retain any interest as an amateur music writer without proaudio engineering skills and equipment, but with a day job, , I want tools that help me enact MY vision to reality. That means multi tracking, ability to hum or score a melody and have it transfer to musical instrument, ability to enter existing tracks, provide a temporal segment for diffusion, and ask it to 'generate a counterpoint to the melody wi…

The people writing the one-shot tools are living a pipe dream and are riding the hype wave. One-shot AI music will have a short amount of interest based on its novelty, but the very next generation of humans will revolt against it as a cringe decision of the old guard. Form there it might finally be applied more realistically as an aid to human expression instead of a replacement.

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by logicchains »

jimbokun wrote: post #19

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>You are automating an activity humans ENJOY doing.

There's at least an order of magnitude more people who enjoy making music than there are people with the actual skill/talent to make music. Music generation AI is an absolute blessing to the untalented among us who'd love to make a song in a certain style or with certain lyrics but lack the time, talent or ability to do it ourselves.

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by Juliate »

chefandy wrote: post #51
taylorius wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's any stopping it, unfortunately. The internet is too good at "optimising" content. The future is Mr Beast, Instagram hotties and 6 pack guys, tiktok morons and onlyfans. Be happy, the market has spoken.

People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. If you didn't understand what they don't, you'd realize that companies spending billions of dollars to create tools that make cheap simulacra of artists' wo…

Totally with you. But it's the trend we get to re-balance in a good way:

> People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs.

This is eerily reminiscent of what's happening inside the USA government & administration today...

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by chefandy »

iahds9uasd wrote: post #42
jononor wrote: post #35

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And with more affordable and easier-to-learn tools, the creation of music will be similarly made much more accessible? DAWs and virtual instruments running on regular laptop was one step, generative AI models will be another?

The tools and knowledge for making music are already unbelievably accessible. Anyone with an internet connection and a decent computer can read about music theory, learn to use a DAW, and get some basic virtual instruments. The same goes for producing art, which doesn't even require anything digital. This does not augment the music making process in any way, it simply replaces it with what might as well be a gacha ga…

Yes, there are a TON of free tools and endless instruction on using them. If you move your budget up to making one-time payments for things that cost less than one month using a subscription service, you get an astonishing breadth of new options. Beyond that, so many of the more expensive music making tools are one-time payments rather than subscription services. Buy Ableton once? You own it. You can get the latest version at a discount, but there's absolutely nothing stopping you from using the version you bought, in perpetuity.

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by qoez »

6stringmerc wrote: post #37
qoez wrote: post #17

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That can probably be a style in itself (if we kept exploring in these directions)

No, it’s not a style, it’s by definition an incomplete song.

"Electronic music aren't real songs there's no real instruments involved". Let's be a bit creative with these tools. Sure the pure output isn't always plesant or listenable but there's probably an interesting genre to carve out here

Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by [deleted] »

Juliate wrote: post #55
chefandy wrote: post #51

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People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. If you didn't understand what they don't, you'd realize that companies spending billions of dollars to create tools that make cheap simulacra of artists' wo…

Totally with you. But it's the trend we get to re-balance in a good way: > People that never considered the value of artistic process until it was the topic du jour unilaterally decided that it was inefficient, oppressive, complex, frivolous, and unfairly inaccessible to those that hadn't put any sustained effort into developing theirs. This is eerily reminiscent of what's happening inside the USA government & admini…

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Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion

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Post by logicchains »

Juliate wrote: post #48
nullpilot wrote: post #30

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Not everyone enjoys composing music, and for a large group of people paying an artist is not an option. There's a lot to critizise about current AI tech, saying of all things this has no net benefit seems like the wrong thing to call out, and incredibly short sighted for HN.

You're not composing music with an AI generator either: you're pushing a button with a few, limited instructions, and expect something that rewards your perception of what makes good music for your intention. If you don't enjoy composing music, just don't do it, and give it to someone who does, and has the experience/knowledge/culture/practice/gut to do it.

What an incredibly elitist, smug attitude. You're basically saying people only have the right to hear the music that professionals think they should hear.
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