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Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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It doesn't matter. As far as I am concerned, self sufficiency comes before price concerns. Nuclear is very safe and reliable. By all means, EU countries should keep investing in Solar, Wind, Geotermal, etc. but that should be done alongside Nuclear.

> Nuclear is very safe and reliable. How do we stop fukushima-like disasters?

By not ignoring studies that find risk of tsunami damage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident#Pri...

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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The problem with nuclear in Italy is just one: how many time have you read about a public bridge fallen because of bad construction? Same for roads, houses and so on. Most of the time the reason is the company building those, trying to spend less in materials and avoiding regulations - something unfortunately not so unusual in Italy. So imagine what could happen with a nuclear plant... (nuclear is safe, building in I…

I'm sorry, did you forget "mafia"?

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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Isn't the price of a KW of solar panels similar to the price of a KW of nuclear power these days? I wonder what hinders us to replace the roofs of all houses with solar panels and put batteries in all cellars? It might still be useful to build out nuclear power plants. But the solar+battery approach seems like an easier first step to increase the available power, doesn't it?

It doesn't matter. As far as I am concerned, self sufficiency comes before price concerns. Nuclear is very safe and reliable. By all means, EU countries should keep investing in Solar, Wind, Geotermal, etc. but that should be done alongside Nuclear.

As always with nuclear there are a few taboo topics. One of them being fuel supply. For European reactors that seems to be either Mali/Niger, or Russia. Both not excellent if the goal is geopolitical independence.

Solar, wind and batteries have no fuel concerns, and they are inherently decentralized.

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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Solar + batteries is still cheaper than nuclear

In what timeframe? Solar panels last 20-25 years. Nuclear power plants last for 50+ years and use fraction of the space that solar. It is hard to believe that the TCO is lower. Usually people just looking at the price in the short term and comparing that. Batteries are a whole different can of worms. Super toxic and you need a high volume of those because the energy density is much lower. https://energyeducation.ca/e…

Space isn't really an issue. There's many places that are no good for building but are great for solar, like mountainsides.

Besides, if the Netherlands can have solar then Italy can too. It's much less densely populated.

And nuclear lasts 50+ years with constant maintenance, which is really expensive.

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter. As far as I am concerned, self sufficiency comes before price concerns. Nuclear is very safe and reliable. By all means, EU countries should keep investing in Solar, Wind, Geotermal, etc. but that should be done alongside Nuclear.

> Nuclear is very safe and reliable. How do we stop fukushima-like disasters?

In the same way we have handled other dangerous activities (including aviation and driving around with sloshing flammable liquids)

Improving continuously, having strict but not restrictive regulation, addressing risks before they become a problem.

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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I think realistically this is the only way in the turbulent times we live in. Even in the small and interconnected Europe, you have to be completely self sustainable when the need arises. We've seen more than enough broken pipes, power lines and the like in the last year alone to underline this need.

Italy neither has the engineers to build a nuclear power plant, they would have to ask another nation, like Russia, Canada or France, to build it for them. And where does the nuclear fuel come from? Russia.

> And where does the nuclear fuel come from? Russia.

Not true at all. Russia is producing 5% of the world Uranium, and they probably use quite a lot of that domestically given they produce 8% of all nuclear power in the world with their own plant.

Kazakhstan + Uzbekistan is 50% of the word production. Canada is second and will be happy to start selling to the EU. Namibia and Australia both produce twice as much as Russia.

Not to say that supply of natural Uranium is not a concern because you do depends of a small list of countries but we don't need to buy any from Russia.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_p...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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The problem with nuclear in Italy is just one: how many time have you read about a public bridge fallen because of bad construction? Same for roads, houses and so on. Most of the time the reason is the company building those, trying to spend less in materials and avoiding regulations - something unfortunately not so unusual in Italy. So imagine what could happen with a nuclear plant... (nuclear is safe, building in I…

I'm sorry, did you forget "mafia"?

I didn't. that's implied in "avoiding regulations".

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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Geothermal energy is already exploited in italy. About 1/3rd of Tuscany energy production happens thanks to geothermal, which is also used for heating purposes [1] There are also new plants in the making [2] Being tuscanian, I visited the museum or geothermal energy in larderello once, the area of larderello is quite uncanny, in some parts the ground is literally fuming steam. There's also a smell of rotten eggs lol…

Are you sure it was Larderello? Are you sure it wasn't... hell?

It definitely resonates a lot, especially since that area has been known for centuries for that type of geothermal activity. I don't know whether Dante visited larderello, but next time I meet a local guide I'll ask them

Re: Italy moves to reverse anti-nuclear stance

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The problem with nuclear in Italy is just one: how many time have you read about a public bridge fallen because of bad construction? Same for roads, houses and so on. Most of the time the reason is the company building those, trying to spend less in materials and avoiding regulations - something unfortunately not so unusual in Italy. So imagine what could happen with a nuclear plant... (nuclear is safe, building in I…

I've generally been impressed with engineering works in northern Italy, the tolled autostrada in the mountains etc.
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