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Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by analog31 »

idontwantthis wrote: post #30
xnx wrote: post #23

Even in cities that are pretty hostile to bikes, electric bikes/scooters are an amazing middle point between walking and all the expense of a car (purchase, loans, fuel, maintenance, insurance, registration, tickets, etc.).

I want an electric bike but I want to go places with it and I’m worried about it getting stolen when I lock it up outside a shop. Do you have one?

I get around on an acoustic bike, but have a lot of friends with e-bikes. I believe this is extremely locale-dependent. For instance there's relatively little bike theft in my locale, except around the university where it's just really easy pickings.

I think you can learn a lot by looking at how bikes -- acoustic and electric -- are already being parked and locked in your district. For instance my daughter is attending grad school in a big city, and while we were walking around, I noticed that the most decrepit old bikes were secured with giant U-locks plus chains. Hmmm. So my daughter rides a bike of similar ilk, and secures it in a similar fashion.

And I noticed the most beastly of chains and locks in New York City.

Plus, people generally seem to prefer e-bikes where they can take the battery pack with them.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by SoftTalker »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #44
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if you get into an EV now, before everyone else does, you can still enjoy a cheap fueling experience for a little while longer

I can't see how they can make at home charging more expensive without making all other electricity uses expensive and that will have severe backlash. On the go DC fast charging is already not cheap. It costs as much or more than gas.

They can mandate separate metering for the charging circuit and tax it to make u p for the lost gasoline taxes.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by kaonwarb »

analog31 wrote: post #51
idontwantthis wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want an electric bike but I want to go places with it and I’m worried about it getting stolen when I lock it up outside a shop. Do you have one?

I get around on an acoustic bike, but have a lot of friends with e-bikes. I believe this is extremely locale-dependent. For instance there's relatively little bike theft in my locale, except around the university where it's just really easy pickings. I think you can learn a lot by looking at how bikes -- acoustic and electric -- are already being parked and locked in your district. For instance my daughter is attendi…

TIL "acoustic bike" is a phrase

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by jimbob45 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #44
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if you get into an EV now, before everyone else does, you can still enjoy a cheap fueling experience for a little while longer

I can't see how they can make at home charging more expensive without making all other electricity uses expensive and that will have severe backlash. On the go DC fast charging is already not cheap. It costs as much or more than gas.

Is it more expensive per mile though with all things considered?

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by orbital-decay »

Deprogrammer9 wrote: post #41

This things is amazing. https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/urban_mobility/ce04...

It looks huge! How the hell do you commute on that thing? Can't imagine lane filtering on it.

Edit: 855mm wide, 1675mm wheelbase, weighs like a 1000cc adventure bike (clearly bottom-heavy, though). That's one Goldwing of a scooter.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by whateveracct »

SoftTalker wrote: post #53
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't see how they can make at home charging more expensive without making all other electricity uses expensive and that will have severe backlash. On the go DC fast charging is already not cheap. It costs as much or more than gas.

They can mandate separate metering for the charging circuit and tax it to make u p for the lost gasoline taxes.

those gasoline taxes currently pay for roads. and EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by it_citizen »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #29
diego_moita wrote: post #25

I have an EV (Kia Niro EV 2024). I don't want ever to go back to gas. Reasons: * the driving experience is just much, much better: punch & acceleration, stability, quietness, etc. * if you charge at home it is a lot cheaper than gas * it is so easy to "fuel": you plug it in when you arrive home and unplug the next morning Edit: also, after I installed solar cells at home, I drive almost for free!

Also, if you get into an EV now, before everyone else does, you can still enjoy a cheap fueling experience for a little while longer

Also, with time, we can make effort to decarbonize the production chain of EVs. With ICE vehicles, they reject carbon and there are only so many micro-adjustments we can do.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jppope wrote: post #27
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I repeat myself, apologies to Twain Downhill = good, momentum is unstoppable, nothing stops the electrification transition, we’re simply arguing time horizon now; China will be the clean energy and mobility manufacturer to the world. (50% of car sales in China in 2024 were battery electric or plug in hybrid)

I feel most people still don't realize that China is facing a demographic crisis. If their demographics matched the United States sure, but its unlikely china will be leading many of these future technological situations. Don't take me the wrong way, they have a great opportunity in front of them but just the resources required to take care of their elderly is going to suck up a pretty hefty amount of resources.

More industrial robots are built and sold in China than anywhere else in the world. This is an intentional choice, the government knows their working age population is shrinking. They will race to automation before their demographic dividend is finished paying out.

To note, the US has no robotics foundries, and already is experiencing labor shortages today.

https://itif.org/publications/2024/03/11/how-innovative-is-c...

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