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Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by Clubber »

sirbutters wrote: post #49
Clubber wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you willing to get drafted and fight to defend Taiwan and whatever comes as a result of that? Are you willing to die for Taiwan, or have your kids die for Taiwan? Honest question.

The phrasing of your question makes it sound like you clearly do not think Taiwan is worth defending. Perhaps a more interesting question would be - where is the line for you to consider a war is worth fighting for? Is it only when your country is being attacked and you need to defend it? If so, take a guess what WW1 and WW2 would have looked like if everyone had that opinion.

You didn't answer the question. It's easy to send other people's kids to war (see Iraq, Afghanistan). It's a different problem when you have your own skin in the game.

>If so, take a guess what WW1 and WW2 would have looked like if everyone had that opinion.

WWI Would have been merely a local conflict between Austria and Serbia. WWII would have been about the same as it was historically, if it happened at all, see previous answer on WWI.

As an aside and ironically, both Wilson and FDR campaigned on not getting us into WWI and WWII.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by bilbo0s »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #34
Clubber wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you willing to get drafted and fight to defend Taiwan and whatever comes as a result of that? Are you willing to die for Taiwan, or have your kids die for Taiwan? Honest question.

that's I suppose the risk one is willing to take when enrolling into the army?.. You're raising though a very good point, the US army is really large and it's not clear anymore what its purpose is anymore (not against Russia anymore, not against China soon/anymore, then what for?)

Not trying to be flip or anything, but why can't it just be to defend the US? From anyone who may come.

Serious question.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by dullcrisp »

Clubber wrote: post #40
dullcrisp wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We haven’t had a draft in decades, what makes you bring it up now? Are you implying that only people serving in the military should have a say in foreign policy?

Because if we go to war with China, they have a lot more people to throw at us than we have active in the military. Any slightly protracted war will require a draft. I'm sure you filled out your draft card when you turned 18 like I did, even when there was no draft. That's so if and when they needed to reinstate it, it would pick up almost seamlessly where it left off. >Are you implying that only people serving in th…

I do hope it wouldn’t come to that, but I also don’t think we can afford to immediately capitulate to any state with more manpower out of fear and still consider ourselves to be a world power.

If China has us completely militarily outmatched then of course we can’t afford to provoke them, but it’s not my sense that we’re ready to accept that currently.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by gizzlon »

braincat31415 wrote: post #41
tensor wrote: post #19

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He sure seems to be able to just terminate legislation signed into law. He already did it with USAID, and is in the process of doing it to many other departments.

USAID is a waste of money. Good riddance.

Yeah, kids starving and dying of cholera.. fuck em /s

> The Inspector General also warned that $489 million in humanitarian food aid was at risk of spoiling due to staff furloughs and unclear guidance. The Office of Presidential Personnel fired the Inspector General the next day, despite a law requiring 30 days notice to Congress before firing an Inspector General.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by yks »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #34
Clubber wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you willing to get drafted and fight to defend Taiwan and whatever comes as a result of that? Are you willing to die for Taiwan, or have your kids die for Taiwan? Honest question.

that's I suppose the risk one is willing to take when enrolling into the army?.. You're raising though a very good point, the US army is really large and it's not clear anymore what its purpose is anymore (not against Russia anymore, not against China soon/anymore, then what for?)

Against internal dissent and against the enemy of the day in the Western hemisphere (seems to be the plan).

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by Clubber »

bilbo0s wrote: post #53
WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's I suppose the risk one is willing to take when enrolling into the army?.. You're raising though a very good point, the US army is really large and it's not clear anymore what its purpose is anymore (not against Russia anymore, not against China soon/anymore, then what for?)

Not trying to be flip or anything, but why can't it just be to defend the US? From anyone who may come. Serious question.

>why can't it just be to defend the US?

It was that way for most of our existence (and empire building). The whole world police thing came after WWII.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by Clubber »

dullcrisp wrote: post #54
Clubber wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if we go to war with China, they have a lot more people to throw at us than we have active in the military. Any slightly protracted war will require a draft. I'm sure you filled out your draft card when you turned 18 like I did, even when there was no draft. That's so if and when they needed to reinstate it, it would pick up almost seamlessly where it left off. >Are you implying that only people serving in th…

I do hope it wouldn’t come to that, but I also don’t think we can afford to immediately capitulate to any state with more manpower out of fear and still consider ourselves to be a world power. If China has us completely militarily outmatched then of course we can’t afford to provoke them, but it’s not my sense that we’re ready to accept that currently.

I agree. What's the point of a massive military if you can't scare people with it? All I'm saying is we need to be careful what we wish for and understand what we are getting into. If congress thinks the population is itching to go to war, they might just get us into one (again).

Like you said, we haven't had a draft in decades. People might think we won't ever have one, and those people would be mistaken.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by bilbo0s »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #42
Clubber wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you willing to get drafted and fight to defend Taiwan and whatever comes as a result of that? Are you willing to die for Taiwan, or have your kids die for Taiwan? Honest question.

Yes, by now, yes.

I suspect there are not many outside your own acquaintances willing to have their children drafted to defend Taiwan.

Just being realistic. Americans were committed to these things because leadership committed us to these things and would make it illegal for us to get out of it. Given an actual choice, not many Americans would have willingly gone to, say, Vietnam. Maybe a few brainwashed anti-communists, but the average American thought, "Hey, not my circus, not my monkeys." I suspect even fewer would be willing to go fight for Taiwan.

The average American's attitude is, "Call me when they attack Hawaii." Until that point, most genuinely don't care. That's why Trump's current moves in Europe will be applauded by his base. Because people have severely overestimated the desire of the American every-man and -woman to defend foreign nations.

You can't give people a choice. If given a choice, they'll always say no.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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Post by wdb »

world2vec wrote: post #52

Might be a silly question but considering the tensions between US and EU right now... What would happen to all these deals if ASML was was not allowed to sell their machines to US companies? I don't know enough to even speculate on these wild scenarios

I think that won't happen as ASML relies on a bunch of patents. Now I don't think American patents are valid abroad anyways. So probably shouldn't be a concern.
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