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Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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Hours worked isn't the problem. It's super easy to work a ton when the motivation is right.

Google becoming organizationally deadlocked is the problem.

It bears repeating: Google _basically invented_ the transformer architecture and were out-executed. Doesn't matter whether people were working 40 hrs remotely or 100 hrs per week on-site; this is an organizational failure.

Anyway, it sucks to see Sergey sell out like this.

Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter what you're working on, burnout doesn't help anyone.

Completely agree, but if the right things align: low bullshit, good team, worthwhile work, compensation fair to effort and outcomes, 60 hours can be very manageable for a period.

So basically a very small percentage of jobs.

Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

#55

You’d think that a guy this smart would know that the data not only disagrees with this, but that this rules out anyone with a family

Why do people keep making the mistake that smart people are good at doing everything? A person could be a mathematical genius or an amazing computer scientist, but that doesn’t necessarily make them a good leader or even a good parent. Just look at how badly Ilya Sutskever messed up at OpenAI. And in Google’s case, Sergy himself, divorced from his wife, leads me to believe he’s not someone who knows how to balance a family with work.

Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree, but if the right things align: low bullshit, good team, worthwhile work, compensation fair to effort and outcomes, 60 hours can be very manageable for a period.

So basically a very small percentage of jobs.

Definitely. His message was for a very small audience. I don't know what the situation is like for them, but Sergey's claim isn't ridiculous.

Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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Can I suggest an experiment? Sergey could decide to be put in a shared cube farm for 6x 10s a week and see how long he lasts. I think there's a large difference between the fatigue invoked in work that is some variant of managerial "in meetings where it's low information hot takes 80% of the time" work, and actual engineering work where drafting design documents, working on code, and context switching while waiting f…

This and take away his nannies, chauffeurs and other servants. Let his wife work a regular job too. If you are not privileged, running a family is another 40 hour a week job.

To that let's add the stress of financial ruin or major setback in case he loses his job due to a competitive ratings-based "objective" perf review.

Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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Can I suggest an experiment? Sergey could decide to be put in a shared cube farm for 6x 10s a week and see how long he lasts. I think there's a large difference between the fatigue invoked in work that is some variant of managerial "in meetings where it's low information hot takes 80% of the time" work, and actual engineering work where drafting design documents, working on code, and context switching while waiting f…

This and take away his nannies, chauffeurs and other servants. Let his wife work a regular job too. If you are not privileged, running a family is another 40 hour a week job.

feed the cat do the laundry clean the toilet sweep the floor buy the groceries pay the bills call the cable company change the oil in the car water the plants take out the trash scoop the litterbox file your taxes cook dinner do the dishes make a dentist appointment mow the lawn go to the post office buy your brother a birthday gift change the sheets fix the lightswitch unclog the shower get the brakes fixed on the car get the car washed clean out the gutters…

Re: Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This and take away his nannies, chauffeurs and other servants. Let his wife work a regular job too. If you are not privileged, running a family is another 40 hour a week job.

feed the cat do the laundry clean the toilet sweep the floor buy the groceries pay the bills call the cable company change the oil in the car water the plants take out the trash scoop the litterbox file your taxes cook dinner do the dishes make a dentist appointment mow the lawn go to the post office buy your brother a birthday gift change the sheets fix the lightswitch unclog the shower get the brakes fixed on the c…

Chores are holidays when you got work and kids...
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