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GSA Eliminates 18F

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Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#51

TIL that in America, if you work on a free tax filing system you are considered by some to be part of the "far left".

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You support DOGE's mission, but not a fan of this decision? Destroying 18F entirely consistent with DOGE's mission and Trump's goals. Why this decision then and not all their other ones?

You wrote a lot of words saying very little.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#52

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But you don't understand. If the government helps you file your taxes, they'll use the service to collect your personal data, so the communists could use it against you at some point in the future. (this is the right wing argument, so to speak)

Hijacking this somewhat, but shouldn't the engine be open-source so both Sean Hannity and Richard Stallman can see the code and protect their data from prying government eyes? Or maybe it's already open-source? There should be something like opentaxsolver that has a government stamp of approval.

Open source? Giving stuff away? Sounds socialist mate.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you don't understand. If the government helps you file your taxes, they'll use the service to collect your personal data, so the communists could use it against you at some point in the future. (this is the right wing argument, so to speak)

Is it? I think the more common right-wing argument is that you shouldn't have taxes / the IRS is just evil / the whole government apparatus needs to be burned to the ground. (I do not agree with it, it's just what I interpret the arguments to be)

The Norquist argument I have heard is that taxes should be painful. Anything that makes it too easy for the government to get money should be avoided.

So, you know, a policy of making life better for average people.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? I think the more common right-wing argument is that you shouldn't have taxes / the IRS is just evil / the whole government apparatus needs to be burned to the ground. (I do not agree with it, it's just what I interpret the arguments to be)

Here's the tweet that prompted Elon's 'deleted' tweet: >18F, the far left government wide computer office that was recently taken over by allies of @elonmusk, is also the same agency that built Elizabeth Warren's "Direct File" tax program. >Direct File puts the government in charge of preparing peoples tax returns for them. https://nitter.poast.org/alx/status/1886415751528972515 ? Clearly, they think there is somethi…

They are terrified of asset taxes and want to keep them as bureaucratically inhibited as possible.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#55
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There are things that I at least understand, but who is opposed to direct tax filing and … why?

Intuit and their lobbyists, because.. you guessed it! Money.

So not right wingers? I don’t know many right wingers that enjoy filing tax returns.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#56

Isn't this the agency that gradually allowed Americans to file their taxes without paying some commercial third party for the privilege? Like the rest of the world? We Europeans used to be able to gleefully report that we could file our taxes in minutes (which, in fact, it being 1 March, I did today), but you almost had it fixed. Look, I know we Dutch aren't perfect. After all, that twat Rutte (our teflon coated form…

> We Europeans used to be able to gleefully report that we could file our taxes in minutes (which, in fact, it being 1 March, I did today), but you almost had it fixed.

Its even done automatically here in Austria for you. You just have to use a simple to use webapp if you want a tax refund for stuff like donations or tax-writoffable expanses.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#57

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Elon literally said they would be 'deleted' for being 'far left,' specifically for working on direct file. Yet, people still seem baffled by what's going on and refuse to accept the maliciousness behind his and Trump's actions. He came out against a public technology service! It's like Bill Gates being confused about USAID being dismantled and being willfully ignorant that the people dismantling it believe he's part…

There are things that I at least understand, but who is opposed to direct tax filing and … why?

Same reason there is opposition to municipal ISPs. The theory is the public sector should stay away from anything the private sector could theoretically provide. It assumes the private sector will deliver better goods at lower prices due to market pressures.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#59
post #27

TIL that in America, if you work on a free tax filing system you are considered by some to be part of the "far left".

Heaven forbid if the US catches up with the U.K. in the 1990s.

Hell any country except the USA. I've lived in both the USA and Australia. In Australia it's been digital for a long time. As in you go to file and the equivalent of all your W2 information is pre-filed by the employer, retirement and investment systems. You're just running through a government provided site to check off any special exemptions and you're done. It's a huge efficiency win. Think of the hours you spent dealing with Turbotax and the like, re-importing information from other systems manually when your employer and bank already added filed that information under your name into the tax system on their side.

I hear outright wrong arguments for why the USA has not moved to a modern filing system. The US tax system is NOT more complex than other countries. It's pretty middle of the road in complexity. Yes other countries are made up of states too. Yes there's a ton of exemptions in other countries.

It's yet another example of people taking an absurd "government is always less efficient than private" viewpoint that isn't even founded in any academic sense. It's a line broadcast by very rich people that want to siphon off profit and it's hard to do that when it's tax payer funded.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#60
Here's the big picture: Only around 3% of total spending is federal payroll. Dismantling of essential services like free tax filing saves very little money.

Total annual spending is around $6.75 trillion, of which only around $210 Billion is spent on federal payroll (not including military and postal workers).

All these cuts are intended to pay for tax cuts for Elon Musk and his fellow billionaires.

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