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FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by wrs »

fzeroracer wrote: post #21
tayo42 wrote: post #17

Don't want to sign up. Are we not going to get a flu vaccine? Companies that make the vaccines can't do this on their own anyway?

The flu vaccines target specific strains that they expect to be common during flu season. In order to do this, the FDA collaborates with a bunch of different agencies and groups around the world to do collect data, track flu viruses etc. The sort of thing that a government agency is generally really good at doing and companies are generally really bad at. Normally it's around this time period that decisions around wh…

This is absolutely idiotic behavior on the part of the government. However, I wouldn’t be surprised to see an announcement within the week that the manufacturers are having their own meeting. They aren’t going to destroy years of goodwill and a thriving vaccine business just because a total flake got put in charge of the FDA for what is hopefully a limited time.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by atmavatar »

teeray wrote: post #42
Freedom2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about encouraging the free market. Drug makers will naturally compete and it's up to the American public to reward the flu shot with the most efficacy, or in some cases, not take a shot at all and rely on natural immunization. This will spur competition and bring prices down. At least that's what this forum has taught me.

> This will spur competition and bring prices down. Without the effects known for months, it sounds a lot like gambling to me.

The most cherished free market principle of the current administration is caveat emptor.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by biophysboy »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #10

Presumably it may be rescheduled? Let's say personnel is in flux at the moment. Might make sense to bump out an important meeting until things stabilize? There is so much breathless hysteria in the media predicting or implying a prediction, and when 99% of it fails to materialize there is never a follow up.

What media coverage would you approve of?

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by psychlops »

_heimdall wrote: post #43
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a collusion to create chaos and dismantle the system that can track what they are doing. You think “flu vaccine”, they steal elsewhere. Today a vaccine, last week an email to justify jobs, earlier USAID, next week something else. It’s a distraction.

Its interesting to see so many conspiracy theories pop up on a more left-leaning site. The last 6-8 years has largely seen democrats deriding republicans (or MAGA specifically) for sharing unproven claims of a deep state, pedophile rings, etc. Now we're seeing a growing list of conspiracy theories related to what and why the Trump administration is up to. The theories may even be right in the end, that does happen. T…

I've had the same thought. I've literally watched the conspiracy theorists change among my friends. Strange times.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by fzeroracer »

_heimdall wrote: post #43
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a collusion to create chaos and dismantle the system that can track what they are doing. You think “flu vaccine”, they steal elsewhere. Today a vaccine, last week an email to justify jobs, earlier USAID, next week something else. It’s a distraction.

Its interesting to see so many conspiracy theories pop up on a more left-leaning site. The last 6-8 years has largely seen democrats deriding republicans (or MAGA specifically) for sharing unproven claims of a deep state, pedophile rings, etc. Now we're seeing a growing list of conspiracy theories related to what and why the Trump administration is up to. The theories may even be right in the end, that does happen. T…

It's not exactly a conspiracy when they're literally outright saying this is what they're doing. Like Elon Musk is out there regurgitating every single stupid reason you can think of for dismantling the government, you can spend like an hour trawling his feed and realize that all of these conspiracies are just things he's outright admitting.

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Post by apical_dendrite »

xnx wrote: post #31
frogperson wrote: post #14

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Hurt people hurt people.

Tom Nichols made a good point about this - he is from a very Trump-supporting demographic (white working class, baby boomer), and his observation was that all of his Trump-supporting friends and family are doing much better off now then when they were growing up. In terms of housing, food, access to healthcare, stress about money - they are a huge step above where they were in the 60s and 70s.

So whatever hurt these people suffered wasn't material. It's just resentment about other people (minorities, the "urban elite") having status or power.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by darkteflon »

Freedom2 wrote: post #24
techorange wrote: post #2

Is there a strategy here, or is this all emotional. Or is the strategy like, we can reduce social security spending if more old people die of the flu? This isn't entirely cynical, I do assume there are some pragmatists who might think this way.

It's about encouraging the free market. Drug makers will naturally compete and it's up to the American public to reward the flu shot with the most efficacy, or in some cases, not take a shot at all and rely on natural immunization. This will spur competition and bring prices down. At least that's what this forum has taught me.

That’s an interesting comment. I often see this repeated - that HN as a whole leans libertarian - but I don’t see it personally. Just as many people will jump in to point out that market failures are common for reasons of monopolistic behaviour, regulatory capture, etc, as will people regurgitating Reagan, Thatcher and Thiel.

Whoops, gave away my political leanings.

Re: FDA meeting to pick next winter's flu shot is canceled, in ominous sign for US

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Post by happytoexplain »

_heimdall wrote: post #37
frogperson wrote: post #14

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I live in a very red state and mostly know Trump voters. I disagree with them on plenty of political topics (though that was true with Biden voters as well). I don't consider many of them hateful though, and they are helpful to neighbors. The last 2-8 years has felt very strange to me comparing what I experience day to day and how I often see our society more broadly described. I've lived in Seattle, Europe, and the…

>With regards to MAGA specifically. I don't find most of the ideas I hear floated as more hateful than the overtone coming from the democratic side

This is eyebrow-raising. I have no defense for any political party for all the un-subtle criticisms they inevitably put out, Democrats or otherwise. But to suggest that MAGA are, on par, less hateful than Democrats, begs expounding. In other words, you can certainly make that argument, but it flies in the face of common understanding - which doesn't mean it's not true! It just means you have to give a little more than just stating it. It's like saying, "Actually, Genghis Khan didn't conquer very much", and leaving it at that instead of presenting some kind of insight.

Of course, there is always simply the bubble explanation (my bubble is not representative, or your bubble is not representative), however... regarding the degree of MAGA's hatred for liberals and the people liberals defend? I hate being curt but: Come on.

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