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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by amarcheschi »

megadata wrote: post #12
jjice wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.

I've also heard people are having excellent sleep in their traditional modern beds. Me included.

I've also heard about people finding new foam mattresses too hot :(

like me. will buy a spring mattress next time

Edit thank you for your recommendation but I'm in italy, European and American mattresses are quite different.

Before discovering this, I once wrote to the customer support of the flamingo hotel, Las Vegas, because I loved their mattress: Hi, i do think that what i'm gonna write is weird, but anyway haha. On july of the summer 2019 i visited the fabulous las vegas. nor the nightlife neither the opulence of sin city could, however, reach the pinnacle of the human civilization, the mattress on which i slept at flamingo. I now have to change my own mattress at home, and i'm looking for the model on which i slept. the website only says "Simmons beautyrest", although Beautyrest is just a brand name used by simmons and doesn't mean a specific model. could you help me in this modern day divine comedy, be my Virgil and help me find the mattress name? Regards Name

I got an answer: Thank you for contacting Caesars Entertainment. I was delighted to hear that you enjoyed our mattress on your visit! Currently, we are using the Simmons Hospitality Beautyrest Felicity Pillow Top. They can be purchased at https://caesarsguestpurchase.com/shop or 1-866-926-8233. Please feel free to write back if you have any further questions.

Thank you for choosing Caesars for your gaming entertainment!

Have an amazing day!

Shirley

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by duxup »

nrki wrote: post #40

Love the part about the CEO being a Musk sycophant. Right down to the similar language in tweets: "Some of SF got poor sleep. We must fix this."

I remember when mimicking Steve Jobs dress and etc was a thing and how it was kinda cringey. Man I could go for some of that these days.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

cthalupa wrote: post #44
jjice wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.

This all has me quite torn. The "smart" features on it are genuinely useful for me - I have sleep apnea, as well as an eight sleep + the electronic platform. It automatically changes the elevation of my head based on apnea events, and I see a marked reduction in them when using this feature. I have a cpap machine that also makes automatic adjustments but I still get noticeably better sleep quality with the eight slee…

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by EvanAnderson »

cthalupa wrote: post #44
jjice wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.

This all has me quite torn. The "smart" features on it are genuinely useful for me - I have sleep apnea, as well as an eight sleep + the electronic platform. It automatically changes the elevation of my head based on apnea events, and I see a marked reduction in them when using this feature. I have a cpap machine that also makes automatic adjustments but I still get noticeably better sleep quality with the eight slee…

> The "smart" features on it are genuinely useful for me...

All of those features could be provided by local compute, either nestled somewhere in the soft and fluffy gross profit margin of a $2,000 product, or with Bluetooth to a "thick" application running on a phone.

The reason this product, and so many other "IoT" products, put their compute across the Internet is to facilitate a business model. The industry has the technology to put as much compute, storage, and reliability on-site with a high-margin, high-cost product like this.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by hinkley »

xg15 wrote: post #32
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.

I’m still fairly upset that ambient devices never really took off. Nanoleaf at least made a remote like this. It’s a dodecahedron with an accelerometer, so you can program each face with a different setting. The simplest being to program opposing faces for two different light levels. You want to take a nap, turn the controller upside down.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by hinkley »

moolcool wrote: post #31
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

I wonder if there'd be a cottage industry for new control boards which de-shittify IOT devices but keep their functionality. Like buy the bed, and then buy a little pre-programmed ESP32 logic board to replace the factory board.

If smart devices were required to have standard pinouts that were arduino or raspberry Pi compatible, that would make me so happy.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by hinkley »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #45
hinkley wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one would also assume that some fraction of that $2000 would go into a fund to keep those servers up. One thing SaaS has not learned from nonprofits with longevity: you do big fund raisers to get money so you can live on the interest payments. If you think of a new project that will increase your burn rate, you throw another fund raiser. Figure out how many of those beds you expect to be junked for breakage o…

> One thing SaaS has not learned from nonprofits with longevity... I think SaaS has eschewed strategies for longevitiy because it's contrary to the market's "wisdom" that for-profit companies must have sustained high-rate growth.

So they can get more rounds of VC money or get bought out, yes.

Sometimes it’s clearly the founders who go extractive, but others it’s clearly the new owners or partial owners.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by EvanAnderson »

cyberax wrote: post #43
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

> It won’t function if the internet goes down Come on. We can improve that! The next version of the bed will go into carnivorous mode if the subscription lapses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXrAK6sUZ_0

I'm thinking a Thomas Midgley, Jr.[0] mode.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.#Death

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by moolcool »

mikepurvis wrote: post #36
moolcool wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if there'd be a cottage industry for new control boards which de-shittify IOT devices but keep their functionality. Like buy the bed, and then buy a little pre-programmed ESP32 logic board to replace the factory board.

Probably could never make that kind of thing work at scale, but maybe as something within the maker community, perhaps adjacent to the world of 3d printing, Arduino, and RPi.

There'd probably be a few liability concerns at scale. Like if you made a replacement board for a Keurig to allow aftermarket k-cups, it'd likely be a matter of time before Keurig sued you, or someone burnt their house down.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by hinkley »

cyberax wrote: post #43
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

> It won’t function if the internet goes down Come on. We can improve that! The next version of the bed will go into carnivorous mode if the subscription lapses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXrAK6sUZ_0

Well, you remember that total eclipse of the sun about a week ago?
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