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Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by sisisbdhc »

throwaway638637 wrote: post #20

Kind of strange to see no mention of outsourcing in an otherwise detailed analysis

Our company just let go of all our remote LATAM hires. We paid high end in their LCOL areas.

They were somewhere between ok and not good. Felt like we got about what we paid for - their cost was about 50% of a US dev. They were as productive as a low end US dev, so in some cases ok value but since hiring low performers tends to hurt a team overall they weren’t worth it.

We’re a mid range company (decent cash comp, not much else since startup). I’m sure if you’re paying more you can do better. But that’s how it’s always been hasn’t it?

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by jprokay13 »

yolovoe wrote: post #42
throwaway638637 wrote: post #20

Kind of strange to see no mention of outsourcing in an otherwise detailed analysis

I don't mean to spread FUD, but as an interviewer at a FAANG in the US, I have mostly been interviewing candidates in LATAM (Brazil and Mexico). Same for some of my other coworkers. It's happening, and happening fast.

Many of the founders I know (who started companies in the past 3 years) are primarily hiring in LATAM too.

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by spike021 »

throwaway638637 wrote: post #20

Kind of strange to see no mention of outsourcing in an otherwise detailed analysis

My workplace is mostly hiring LATAM and parts of Europe at this point. Occasionally NA but mostly for higher level engineering positions to backfill roles for people who left.

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by astone26 »

sisisbdhc wrote: post #51
throwaway638637 wrote: post #20

Kind of strange to see no mention of outsourcing in an otherwise detailed analysis

Our company just let go of all our remote LATAM hires. We paid high end in their LCOL areas. They were somewhere between ok and not good. Felt like we got about what we paid for - their cost was about 50% of a US dev. They were as productive as a low end US dev, so in some cases ok value but since hiring low performers tends to hurt a team overall they weren’t worth it. We’re a mid range company (decent cash comp, no…

Interesting… 50% of US dev cost is like what if you don’t mind saying? 100k? I found the biggest issue with these engagements is the trust with remote developers.

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by throwaway_1more »

bitwize wrote: post #49
whattheheckheck wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you hear about them

Hackernews. Check the monthly "Who's hiring?" and "Who wants to be hired?" threads. Posting on the latter is how I landed my current job.

I got some great opportunities from that post but lately, it has been a nothing burger. I have been without a job for nearly a year and have applied to many positions on that thread with just one reply and that fizzled out despite being objectively qualified (a take home assignment, successfully completed within the allotted time of 24 hours).

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by yolovoe »

jprokay13 wrote: post #52
yolovoe wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to spread FUD, but as an interviewer at a FAANG in the US, I have mostly been interviewing candidates in LATAM (Brazil and Mexico). Same for some of my other coworkers. It's happening, and happening fast.

Many of the founders I know (who started companies in the past 3 years) are primarily hiring in LATAM too.

That's a good point.

I used to work at a SF startup before the FAANG about 4-5 years back. All the engineers there have unfortunately been replaced with those in LATAM too. LATAM engineers were making like $80-$90K in USD, which is apparently really good money there, whereas US engineer asked for base pay twice that. So it seems like a win-win deal for the cofounders and LATAM engineers.

Just not so great for those of us in the US.

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by polishdude20 »

sisisbdhc wrote: post #51
throwaway638637 wrote: post #20

Kind of strange to see no mention of outsourcing in an otherwise detailed analysis

Our company just let go of all our remote LATAM hires. We paid high end in their LCOL areas. They were somewhere between ok and not good. Felt like we got about what we paid for - their cost was about 50% of a US dev. They were as productive as a low end US dev, so in some cases ok value but since hiring low performers tends to hurt a team overall they weren’t worth it. We’re a mid range company (decent cash comp, no…

Y'all hiring in NA? I'm a Senior dev looking for a role!

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by jfasi »

mattkw wrote: post #50

This analysis is more of an excuse for speculation about applications of LLMs in software engineering, than an analysis of the factors leading up to this. The headline doesn’t tell the whole story. SE openings precipitated in the year that followed the peak. Compared to that massive decline, openings over the last year have been relatively stable but on a downward trajectory. Most of us are personally familiar with t…

> Right now Netflix is only hiring engineers in Poland

This is patently false. Source: I’m an engineering manager at Netflix who’s hiring in the US and whose peers are all doing the same.

Re: Software engineering job openings hit five-year low?

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Post by m3h »

selcuka wrote: post #12
andro_dev wrote: post #7

The number of job postings means nothing. 75% of the job postings are either scam or ghost postings.

Also the same jobs are advertised multiple times, with completely different wording, by multiple recruitment companies.

Then, assuming that the fake job posters are still there and that they now have AI help as well, the fall in the number of postings is more concerning.
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