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Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

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Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

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Broadcom getting involved with Intel will be excellent business ... for all of Intel's competitors.

They’d hike prices 10x for the whales: hyperscalers and PC manufacturers and ignore the needs of anyone who does not buy CPUs by the tray.

The problem is... the whales have easily obtainable alternatives, which are better to boot. VMWare game plan won't work.

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes you just gotta stick to the core competencies and stick to them well. Part of me thinks this is what Radio Shack could've made work. They almost made it to the point in time where hobbyist electronics / maker culture was popular again, but by that time they were just the place people used to buy cell phones from.

Radio Shack got bad. Even when they still had components, it's hard to justify driving to the store to spend $30 for an aux cord when Amazon will have it here tomorrow for $10. Notably, the whole sector seems to have collapsed in favor of online shops like Sparkfun and Adafruit. Most small cities used to have a shop where you could go pick through trays of random electronic components. Now, I don't even know where yo…

If I had millions to buy the Radio Shack IP, my hail mary play would have been to convert Radio Shacks to mini maker spaces. Stock "jellybean" components and entry level tools, and then put in work benches with various tools available for learning and "one off" needs. Take a page out of Walmart's playbook and hire a bunch of retired EE's and developers that just want something to do, and take a page out of Apple's playbook and sell a "once a week come chat with an expert one on one" membership. Pair one-on-one members with your retired EEs and market the hell out of it to highschool kids and hobbyists.

The goal is to get people in the store and building together. Of course no one is going to drive to the store and spend $30 on an aux cable when Amazon will ship it to you tomorrow. But they might just spend $20 on a pack of resistors and a USB breakout board while they're already at the shop using the oscilloscope to probe out a signal on their in flight project and ordering from amazon means stopping progress for the day.

I'd probably also aim to have on-prem competitions, think ant-weight battle bots stuff, micro-mouse or even pinewood derby stuff.

Heck you could probably even lure in some additional markup sales on components by having a "grab-bag" bench, in which you can't bring your own stuff, but you only pay for what you take out. Want to build a battle bot but don't know in advance what pieces you will or won't need? Build it on the grab-bag bench and we'll total up your costs after the fact. Sure you probably could get everything cheaper if you ordered it all online, but how convenient to just have a massive wall of parts already and only get the things you need and not need to store the rest of the 500 resistor pack you had to order to get the 20 you needed.

It might not have worked, the whole thing still might have ended in liquidation, but it feels like it would have had a better chance than batteries and cell phones.

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

#53

I'm not seeing what Broadcom brings to the table here. They don't have chip mfg experience. Sure, they're a customer, but so what? TSMC is not going to be motivated to build up a competitor who weakens the economic wall around Taiwan. What I could see happening based on recent events is that Trump tells Taiwan they have a couple years of US security left. TSMC is then forced to consider putting more effort into mfg i…

Perhaps they're buying the IP part of Intel?

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

#54

Why would TSMC want to buy factories from Intel? Intels plants are far from start of the art. Given their inability to compete and catch up with TSMC

Ignoring their newer fabs for a minute (which do exist), because there's still a load of money to be made on reliable older nodes.

This data is a couple years out of date now but it still shows how relevant older nodes are: https://stockdividendscreener.com/technology/semiconductor/t...

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

#55
I wonder if this couldn't be the chance for Apple to make the definitive move towards vertical integration. If you think about it, it's the only missing part in their vertical integration story.

It would really be a sad day and the begin of truly dark era for the entire computing industry, though.

As an alternative... Amazon would probably be another interesting buyer. Amazon is another company dead serious about having their own silicon. And owning the main supplier of x86 chips as well in-house capabilities to manufacture their own Graviton chips would give them an incredible edge over other cloud computing providers.

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the guy who fired Pat Gelsinger: > Yeary has been telling individuals close to him that he is most focused on maximizing value for Intel shareholders, the report added. RIP Intel.

holy shit. it really is the end, isn't it? cut the company into pieces and sell to the highest bidder. three letter agencies would be interested... a couple months ago.

To be fair, they are elected by shareholders, so it does make sense to prioritize shareholders.

But with a company like Intel, one does really need long term vision to maximize value in the long run. We don't know if he's looking for quick fixes (short term) or long term fixes.

He's been on the board that hired the last 3 CEOs, so I have little faith in their getting things right.

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sometimes you just gotta stick to the core competencies and stick to them well. Part of me thinks this is what Radio Shack could've made work. They almost made it to the point in time where hobbyist electronics / maker culture was popular again, but by that time they were just the place people used to buy cell phones from.

Radio Shack got bad. Even when they still had components, it's hard to justify driving to the store to spend $30 for an aux cord when Amazon will have it here tomorrow for $10. Notably, the whole sector seems to have collapsed in favor of online shops like Sparkfun and Adafruit. Most small cities used to have a shop where you could go pick through trays of random electronic components. Now, I don't even know where yo…

> Now, I don't even know where you'd go to do that in major cosmopolitan centers

Micro Center. They are what Radio Shack might have become if they'd been well-funded and stayed in business.

Unfortunately there are not very many of them.

https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/default.aspx

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

#59
post #8

Broadcom getting involved with VMware did wonders for all VMware customers - I'm sure all current users of Intel products and services are also delighted in a similar manner! ;-)

I think Intel is a different kind of acquisition for Broadcom than VMWare. VMWare had/has a strong moat which can be exploited by jacking up prices. Intel doesn't have that.

Speculation: Broadcom is now really two companies in one, the original Broadcom and CA Technologies. The CA Technologies side of Broadcom bought VMWare and are now applying all the classic CA Technologies moves to it. The original side of Broadcom is the one considering buying Intel

Re: Broadcom, TSMC eye possible Intel deals to split storied chipmaker

#60

What a nightmare. Imagine Broadcom merging with IBM. They'd have the legacy IT market cornered whether virtualized x86 or mainframe, customers be damned. Perhaps they already do. Mainframe users often rely on CA Tech's software, which Broadcom bought years ago.

Since reading a Gibson novel that mentioned the dystopian mega tech conglomerate (DatAmerica maybe?), I've always enjoyed the mental exercise of M&A to create a monster corporation. Intel + Broadcom + IBM + HP + Oracle + Apple + Google They'd from Chips to Cloud.

What would HP bring to this hypothetical merger?
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