How is DEI discriminatory? Do you know of studies that have statistics to back up the claim?
its preferential hiring or at minimum recruiting/sourcing on the basis of race, its discriminatory by definition
DEI stands for "diversity, equity and inclusion", discriminatory hiring is a pretty extreme misinterpretation of those three words. It's no doubt true that somebody out there decided that the way to achieve the aim of a diverse/equitable/inclusive workplace was discriminatory hiring, but it's not the only way to get there, and it's not how most workplaces were going about it.
The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
DEI did feel a lot like paying off debt by getting a new credit card. Equal competition doesn’t mean equal footing though. We will eventually need something to replace it and I hope that doesn’t go worse.
Does it? My "I just want the best for everyone" side likes to think being consciously and explicitly open to all candidates, having a women's day on stereotypical men's jobs, quotas, etc., makes things better because you get more perspectives in your org. Your business/government is more likely to cater to the whole population if it's lead by a reflection of the whole population and all that. But I don't actually know if anyone ran the numbers on that. You seem to suggest it's like taking on debt — is it? I'd be interested. As I do want the best for everyone, if my intuition is wrong then that's also useful to know about and adjust my opinion on
The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
They are also now illegal by executive order which is the main reason companies are getting rid of them. I agree with you they were biased but companies don't care about that
> illegal by executive order
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but even if so: This phrasing is too close to just spreading a pro-Trump lie outright.
Better to say that companies are avoiding these policies because a wannabe dictator has thrown a hissy fit about them while CCing everyone on the email.
The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
There was a zero chance the company with the best AI LLM models would not get involved in weaponization, willingly or not. DAI is going to be one of the first things the next administration brings back, mark my words. Saying it's discriminatory is like saying affirmative action is discriminatory
California banned affirmative action in 1996 precisely because it is discriminatory.
I can only hope the dems are smart enough to drop DEI for good, I don't think Trump is healthy for the US.
There was a zero chance the company with the best AI LLM models would not get involved in weaponization, willingly or not. DAI is going to be one of the first things the next administration brings back, mark my words. Saying it's discriminatory is like saying affirmative action is discriminatory
my guess is any new administration would realize it’s a massive political loser. i’m personally in favor of some limited AA in unis, but if even black people are majority against AA when polled… it’s definitely not coming back. might be that this changes once minority groups realize how much of an impact it was actually having, i think a large segment of people convinced themselves that a lot more of these admissions…
What's an aa? I get American Airlines when I duck it and I know of libaa but that doesn't fit the context either
The AI items are concerning. The DEI stuff though is gone and isn’t coming back. The concept was well intentioned but, quite ironically, these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior and it was becoming increasingly hard to paint them as anything else.
> these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior Professional sports went through a "DEI" phase. Despite some rough patches, I'd say that it worked out for the better as a whole if you look at it in retrospect. Similarly, individual companies may have fumbled DEI initiatives, but years on, I think it will have had a (small) positive impact.
How does professional sports go through a DEI phase?? Professional sports are one of the few true meritocracies in the world, where the best players, no matter their race, religion or gender, will play.
> “What’s not changing is we’ve always hired the best person for the job,” she said, according to a recording of the meeting the Guardian reviewed. This is obviously a lie. Google’s more senior leaders had (and probably still have) quotas for hiring and promotions. If you didn’t hit quotas, not only did you face intense pressure to artificially skew things when HR reviewed numbers, but your performance (and compensat…
I was at Google during the Damore period and had previously gone through their interview pipeline multiple times from outside at various points before being hired. I never saw the faintest hint of a sign of "diversity quotas" or anything similar to that, and I never saw Damore present any evidence to support it. Do you have anything to support your claim that there were race or gender or (insert criteria here) quotas? Were these supposed impacts on performance and comp documented anywhere or just rumored in whispers? Do you know anyone firsthand whose performance or comp were impacted? I don't know anyone first or second hand who was impacted, and I know quite a few Googlers and ex-Googlers.
> these programs turned into a hub of biased discriminatory behavior Professional sports went through a "DEI" phase. Despite some rough patches, I'd say that it worked out for the better as a whole if you look at it in retrospect. Similarly, individual companies may have fumbled DEI initiatives, but years on, I think it will have had a (small) positive impact.
How does professional sports go through a DEI phase?? Professional sports are one of the few true meritocracies in the world, where the best players, no matter their race, religion or gender, will play.
Probably including women in the presentation of the sports, like in the media and reporting side