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Will AI take web developer jobs?

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Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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AI creates bloated, sometimes nonsensical output that often straight-up doesn't work. It's perfect for replacing web developers. It can make mobile apps, too.

Just wait, soon there will be a JavaScript framework: by AI, for AI.

The entertainment value of this future is not to be underestimated :)

Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

#53
More interesting view. Will the web change again. Will everything just be thin veneer in front of AI. Why even develop anything, but a frontend for AI and then do everything with AI...

Maybe idea of using AI to develop anything is going to die and instead it is just setting up AI that everyone then has to use...

Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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It's missing one critical point: if AI makes a good developer 10% more productive, the industry needs 10% less developers to achieve the same output. You're not getting replaced by AI. You're getting replaced by a coworker using AI. It doesn't matter how poorly AI performs at any remotely complicated task, what matters is how many developer-hours it saves by not having to manually write as much boilerplate.

Alternatively: if AI makes a good developer 2x more productive (which I do think is possible based on my own experience), developers are now 2x more valuable to employers. The cost of building software drops in half, which means employers that previously wouldn't have developed their own software (too expensive) are now in the market for custom solutions. Demand for developers goes up. If you believe that making deve…

Yeah, define productive.

Because I suspect that comes with learning a lot less in the process and lower quality output.

Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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post #8

It's missing one critical point: if AI makes a good developer 10% more productive, the industry needs 10% less developers to achieve the same output. You're not getting replaced by AI. You're getting replaced by a coworker using AI. It doesn't matter how poorly AI performs at any remotely complicated task, what matters is how many developer-hours it saves by not having to manually write as much boilerplate.

> the industry needs 10% less developers to achieve the same output Maybe. Or maybe the industry will simply churn even more software due to increased possibilities and everything stays the same.

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Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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post #8

It's missing one critical point: if AI makes a good developer 10% more productive, the industry needs 10% less developers to achieve the same output. You're not getting replaced by AI. You're getting replaced by a coworker using AI. It doesn't matter how poorly AI performs at any remotely complicated task, what matters is how many developer-hours it saves by not having to manually write as much boilerplate.

My company has had a backlog thousands of developer-hours long for years. Maybe eventually somebody will get fired because we're not needed, but the LLM would have to actually 10x our productivity for us to get through the backlog in a year.

That's insane.

You would likely lose absolutely nothing by throwing away most of it, and gain a lot.

Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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post #8

It's missing one critical point: if AI makes a good developer 10% more productive, the industry needs 10% less developers to achieve the same output. You're not getting replaced by AI. You're getting replaced by a coworker using AI. It doesn't matter how poorly AI performs at any remotely complicated task, what matters is how many developer-hours it saves by not having to manually write as much boilerplate.

Dunno man, the times I’ve used AI to help me code, it got the solution wrong. I spent more time backtracking and fixing things than if I’d done it by hand in the first place. So it actually made me 20% less productive.

Finally some actual, non-wishful thinking truth.

Very refreshing!

Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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Alternatively: if AI makes a good developer 2x more productive (which I do think is possible based on my own experience), developers are now 2x more valuable to employers. The cost of building software drops in half, which means employers that previously wouldn't have developed their own software (too expensive) are now in the market for custom solutions. Demand for developers goes up. If you believe that making deve…

Yeah, define productive. Because I suspect that comes with learning a lot less in the process and lower quality output.

My own usage of LLMs to help me code has resulted in me learning more and producing higher quality output.

You have to use them diligently, but it's definitely possible to avoid the obvious downsides of working in this way.

Re: Will AI take web developer jobs?

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Have you tried o3-mini? I'm finding it to be significantly better than GPT-4o for code - I'm even finding myself using it in place of Claude 3.5 Sonnet a lot of the time.

A lot of the time? What kind of code are you writing, if I may ask; and how long have you been doing it? I sometimes ask whatever AI open ended questions on subjects I know very little about, and sometimes I find some kind of starting point for less random research using better tools. Beyond that, and whatever fancy autocomplete my IDE forces down my throat, nope. If if was gone tomorrow I would barely notice.

I've been leaning hard on LLMs to help me write code for just over two years now. I mainly work in Python and JavaScript, which are both languages that LLMs are extremely good at, but I also use them for languages I hardly know at all like jq and Bash and AppleScript and Go.

I've published a ton of notes on this here: https://simonwillison.net/tags/ai-assisted-programming/ and https://simonwillison.net/series/using-llms/

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