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"the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by isoprophlex »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #12
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #5

We have some really phoning it in zoom folks we've hired who do their job semi ok but are just awful and don't contribute to culture, are super dialed out. I don't want to totally damn them, because they have families and lives and other things going. But I've had a number of coworkers tell me they have re-adapted their code review to say near nothing (it won't be well received) and to otherwise end their own good-cu…

i sort of agree wit your sentiment, although probably would use more nuanced language about it. i’ve had this exact conversation with my 70+ still working father so many times now. i’ve heard the rant in the article over and over again. and, like, he blames remote work too. “its the fucking zoom bullshit”. but then i explain to him how i do remote work and suddenly gets it. like, remote working means you are required…

> the problem is, yeah, a lot of people do treat it like a chance to sit at home doing the bare minimum

The thing is... I've been in offices before COVID that were full of people doing the bare minimum. And they were able to do that because management, generally, has always sucked and was never good at their jobs.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

#52

Post by jauntywundrkind »

Uehreka wrote: post #6
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #5

We have some really phoning it in zoom folks we've hired who do their job semi ok but are just awful and don't contribute to culture, are super dialed out. I don't want to totally damn them, because they have families and lives and other things going. But I've had a number of coworkers tell me they have re-adapted their code review to say near nothing (it won't be well received) and to otherwise end their own good-cu…

> We have some really dialing it in zoom folks we've hired Do you mean “phoning it in”? Being “dialed in” and “phoning it in” are opposites, it was a little unclear which you meant from context.

Updated, yes.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by ArthurStacks »

zigglezaggle wrote: post #46
ArthurStacks wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

What is your model? That is, how did you measure this? Productivity and the impacts to it are highly multivariate and most analysis thus far has failed to do show convincing effects in either direction from remote work. Genuinely, there is too much appeal to emotion from both sides of the argument and not enough substance, so if you have something here I'd be interested to read about it.

Through the number of tasks on the board that staff were getting cleared per month. The results are so clear that we have actually gone further than just reversing the work from home policies enacted post Covid, to actually banning it entirely (pre-covid it was allowed with permission)

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by drunkpotato »

zigglezaggle wrote: post #46
ArthurStacks wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

What is your model? That is, how did you measure this? Productivity and the impacts to it are highly multivariate and most analysis thus far has failed to do show convincing effects in either direction from remote work. Genuinely, there is too much appeal to emotion from both sides of the argument and not enough substance, so if you have something here I'd be interested to read about it.

They don’t have anything because they’re lying. Even the sibling comment is a fabrication.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by ArthurStacks »

drunkpotato wrote: post #54
zigglezaggle wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your model? That is, how did you measure this? Productivity and the impacts to it are highly multivariate and most analysis thus far has failed to do show convincing effects in either direction from remote work. Genuinely, there is too much appeal to emotion from both sides of the argument and not enough substance, so if you have something here I'd be interested to read about it.

They don’t have anything because they’re lying. Even the sibling comment is a fabrication.

Yes, we're making you all come into the office just to annoy you all and cause you hassle. It has nothing at all to do with the effects it had on productivity, and people being discovered running their own side busineses at the same time, or watching television and countless other issues they can get away with without others being able to see their screens

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by jemmyw »

SoftTalker wrote: post #20
Nursie wrote: post #9

I enjoyed the year I consulted at JPMC, they have some sharp people, and on the surface of it, who am I to criticise the boss of such a successful company? OTOH… I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. But… I haven’t set foot in an office for five years now and I’m as productive as I ever was. Possibly more. As for his “people are di…

> I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. I agree with this, but I didn't grow up with a phone in my hand. I didn't have a mobile phone until I was about 30 years old and I didn't have a smartphone until I was in my 40s. I can't work well with people over remote calls, I hate Zoom and desktop sharing, don't like slack or teams. I fin…

I'm in my 40s. I prefer zoom meetings. I don't think mobile phone usage has all that much to do with it tbh. Some people just really seem to want other people to be in the room with them and at the same time are somewhat oblivious to the fact that we don't care or don't want to be there.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by [deleted] »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #28
Nursie wrote: post #9

I enjoyed the year I consulted at JPMC, they have some sharp people, and on the surface of it, who am I to criticise the boss of such a successful company? OTOH… I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. But… I haven’t set foot in an office for five years now and I’m as productive as I ever was. Possibly more. As for his “people are di…

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

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Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by buttercraft »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #28
Nursie wrote: post #9

I enjoyed the year I consulted at JPMC, they have some sharp people, and on the surface of it, who am I to criticise the boss of such a successful company? OTOH… I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. But… I haven’t set foot in an office for five years now and I’m as productive as I ever was. Possibly more. As for his “people are di…

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

> ultimatum

Yeah, I think there's a bigger issue with management here if this is how it was handled.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by ArthurStacks »

buttercraft wrote: post #59
ArthurStacks wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

> ultimatum Yeah, I think there's a bigger issue with management here if this is how it was handled.

Oh there's no issues. I'm interested in making money and my business is very successful at doing that because of how I run it.
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