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TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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It's another sock puppet study: https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.17831

Very similar methodology to an earlier study the government cited in their case against TikTok: https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Report_-...

There are a number of issues with these studies, one being that the way the sock puppet bots interact with content is not exactly organic. Typically they search for content in a conditioning phase, followed by random scrolling during which the recommended videos are collected and classified by an LLM. Modern recommendation algorithms famously work by examining how long and how users engage with content, and there's none of that going on here. Still, the methodology itself and the use of LLMs to classify content is clever and probably about the best we can get.

Also, even if there _is_ a bias, it doesn't tell us why. Are the recommendations intentionally spiked, or is this simply the recommendation strategy that maximizes profit? (Or that the recommendation model thinks will maximize profit?) It's very difficult to tell, which is part of what makes these models dangerous and also part of what makes them difficult to regulate.

On a sidenote, TikTok (and presumably other content platforms) _really_ does not like these studies, as demonstrated by them nerfing search functionality after the second study above was released to prevent researchers using these techniques in the future. I haven't read the study in detail yet, but it will be interesting to see how the team at NYU Abu Dhabi adapted their methodology.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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Weird to say but could be a relevant anecdote, as a trans person, that avoids politics in my socials but watches trans creators. I've never gotten a platform that doesn't show me the trans negative politics in my feeds after engaging with trans creators. I find I only get the positive politics AFTER I ignore or dislike the negatives ones.

Anti-trans bias is often just lookism, since many conservatives who purport to hate trans people are more than happy to engage with those who "pass".

Consider 4chans fascination and fetishization of "femboys" and even this whole hilarious "saga": https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/favela-trans-girl-saga

This is the same "conservative gen Z" group that somehow helps get trump elected with the Q shit...

Many of them just hate non-passing trans people. Sad but true, and a lot of trans people also dislike other non passing trans people.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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Well X has a pretty clear slant as of late. I've tried making a fresh burner account a few times to see what the default algorithm is like and surprise, it's dominated by Elon Musk himself, his fanboys/orbiters, and political content which strongly aligns with his views. Even when dissenting political content slips into the feed it's usually still about Elon Musk, the algorithm surfaces more mentions of him than the…

What was formerly Twitter is now some guy's private web site, just a guy with a whole lot of money.

It was before too, but it was a different guy

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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People can't make up their minds, did dems push insane ideology or did they fail to stray far enough from the status quo? I'd argue they ran one of the least controversial campaigns in comparison to the current global political climate. I think those in disagreement were successfully convinced by the opposing party. Trump's first few weeks makes it clear he was the big mover and shaker.

I can make up my mind. They pushed insane ideologies. At the convention the other day not a single nominee said, "Maybe we shouldn't fund sex changes for illegal immigrant prisoners." In fact they supported it.

You've been successfully convinced that this is not only a primary concern for democrats and their voters, but also that this would affect you or anyone you know in any conceivable way.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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Not that I think TikTok is particularly spotless but this sounds like the result of an algorithm learning what groups will engage with, ie democratic leaning accounts were more likely to do _something_ with republican content than vice versa.

Yeah. I remember Facebook used to appear to show me more of certain stuff that annoyed me (not political stuff so much as scammy stuff) because I hovered or even reported it. The most naive and high-level keyword based association is going to link both pro and anti trans stuff as the same general category too (another Facebook thing was the massive overlap between history and really dumb "alternative history")

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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And many platforms had a pro-Democrat lean, especially in the 2020 election. Blaming tiktok seems like scapegoating instead of looking introspectively at the Dem's failings like having a weak leader and pushing various insane ideologies.

What insane ideologies do Dems push? That seems like a weird characterization of either party, although fits Trump specifically -- and I think a lot of Republicans are actually afraid of him.

As a center-lefty I cannot believe people are so silly to not be capable of self-reflecting the left's massive blunders.

Do you not remember "DEFUND THE POLICE!"? That is actually insane policy that the entire party got taken over and was forced to follow along with... even Kamala got slammed for it in the 2024 election! One of many things.

So yes, Trump and the far-right have some off-the-wall crazy stuff, but the left does too. Remember your bias. What seems crazy (i.e. abortion restrictions) does not seem crazy to an entire other segment of the country that you don't share the same exact values to.

And your values and things you don't consider crazy may be considered insane by others.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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> Conservatives didn't have that with Harris. Conservatives spent days nitpicking every single thing they could about Harris and would just invent things about Walz. Tim Walz's son cried and conservative media and social networks ran that into the ground for weeks. Acting like MAGA didn't say anything about Harris/Walz is pure delusion.

I think that shows conservatives were so starved for rage content that they needed to latch onto the side-show of a side-show in order to scratch that itch. Sequestering your candidate away from any kind of challenge certainly is a strategy. I never said MAGA didn't say anything about Harris/walz. Is that what you took away from my post?

> Liberals love consuming Trump content, maybe even more than conservatives. Sort of like the Howard Stern effect. Because after they do, they can go post on Twitter and reddit about how stupid Trump is.

> Conservatives didn't have that with Harris.

Yes that is what I took from this.

> Sequestering your candidate away from any kind of challenge certainly is a strategy.

Interviews with Fox News and a public debate does not read as running away from challenge. She is not the one who ran from the debates.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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Curious as when I was still using TikTok I was getting pro-Trump content in between my usual communist/worker’s rights or pro-Palestinian content.

It's not that surprising, all of that content is aimed at destabilizing the US.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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What was formerly Twitter is now some guy's private web site, just a guy with a whole lot of money.

It was before too, but it was a different guy

It was publicly owned....not one individual.

Re: TikTok's algorithm exhibited pro-Republican bias during 2024 presidential race

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What insane ideologies do Dems push? That seems like a weird characterization of either party, although fits Trump specifically -- and I think a lot of Republicans are actually afraid of him.

As a center-lefty I cannot believe people are so silly to not be capable of self-reflecting the left's massive blunders. Do you not remember "DEFUND THE POLICE!"? That is actually insane policy that the entire party got taken over and was forced to follow along with... even Kamala got slammed for it in the 2024 election! One of many things. So yes, Trump and the far-right have some off-the-wall crazy stuff, but the l…

First, if you read my comment, I said "either party". I actually don't find almost anything pushed from Reps/Dems party as insane (specific politicians I do find genuinely insane though). I think they're almost all somewhat rational, even "defund the police". "Defund the police" has bad marketing, but to this day it still makes sense to not overfund police to do things they aren't well suited to do. This is something Musk would probably even agree with, if not for the marketing.
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