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Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
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Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#52I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked when some city in Spain did this. What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? I'm not sure what a "reasonable" carve out for these people would look like but people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen and the more poli…
> people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen Yes, but when the people affected become a sufficiently small minority those people have a smaller and smaller impact on local and regional elections. The culture in much of the world has shifted so firmly against smoking that politicians in these places have probably ri…
If public opinion is so against smoking then why not let it fizzle out?
Your comment exactly captures what I mean. Every government in the west more or less shared your attitude over the past decade or two and what did it get them? A bunch of populists winning elections because people like you calculated that you could push the envelope on just about ever issue all at once and while you were all probably right individually it turns out that you can't all do that all at once. It's a tragedy of the commons problem of sorts.
Instead of treating public policy as a strategic game of "how many frogs can we boil on how many subjects and how quickly can we boil them without losing our heads?" frog boiling was treated as to be something avoided generally maybe such progress regressing things would happen less often.
Now, while I understand that Japan is not the west, I'm less than enthused to see them being sloppy like this.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#53cool now do something about car exhaust.
Doesn't Japan already have one of the most non-car extensive transit systems on the planet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Keihanshin
> Public transport within Keihanshin is dominated by an extensive public system, beginning with an urban rail network second only to that of Greater Tokyo, consisting of over seventy railway lines of surface trains and subways run by numerous operators; buses, monorails, and trams support the primary rail network. Over 13 million people use the public transit system daily as their primary means of travel. Like Tokyo, walking and bicycling are much more common than in many cities around the globe. Trips by bicycle (including joint trips with railway) in Osaka is at 33.9% with railway trips alone having the highest share at 36.4%, the combined railway share (rail alone, rail and bus, rail and bicycle) is at 45.7%. Walking alone has a modal share of 8.5%. Private automobiles and motorcycles play a secondary role in urban transport with private automobiles only having a 9.9% modal share in Osaka.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#54Coming up next and already happening: Alcohol is phased out.
But drinking with coworkers is an important part of work culture in Japan. So seems unlikely.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not that one is better than the other per-se. Smoking weed is CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY better than smoking tobacco by being less addictive and MUCH less likely to cause various cancers.
I wonder, if one smoked one joint per hour (like tobacco) for 30 years, what the end game would be?
But no one does that.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#56Coming up next and already happening: Alcohol is phased out.
But drinking with coworkers is an important part of work culture in Japan. So seems unlikely.
good point, it's certainly more of a trend with the younger generation and in the west.
But even living in a country that is perceived as "beer centric", i noticed that people are starting to be much more conscious of their alcohol consumption after covid. For the young generation, alcohol does not seem to play as big a role anymore and i would expect that this carries over to their work-life once they enter the work force.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? You switch to vaping (public health win!) or you move.
> vaping (public health win!) I don't think it's that clear. If smokers simply replaced their smoking with vaping maybe it would be a win, but I've noticed that the behavior when it comes to vaping is wildly different: smokers tend to vape more than they would smoke because of how little friction there is in comparison (you don't even a lighter, you can often stay indoors and it will smell less so others won't compla…
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Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just so we're clear, you're talking about weed smokers like the GP? You've gotten passively stoned?
It’s hard to do but if you would be in a locked room with a bunch of lit joints going around you probably can get moderately passively stoned.
That's a bit different than the public nuisance claims.
I suppose you'd want to avoid a cannabis sauna if you want to avoid getting passively stoned.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#59Here, "vaping" is a mistranslation. The law actually refers to 加熱式たばこ, or "heated tobacco products" (HTP), which contain tobacco leaf just like regular cigarettes, but don't combust. On the other hand, nicotine vapes are classified as medical devices and have never been approved for sale, but technically individuals can import them.
The evidence for HTPs being healthier than cigarettes is thin.
I believe that overregulation of nicotine vapes is a form of protectionism for Japan Tobacco, which the Government of Japan owns a large stake in. This is a clear conflict of interest.
Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen Yes, but when the people affected become a sufficiently small minority those people have a smaller and smaller impact on local and regional elections. The culture in much of the world has shifted so firmly against smoking that politicians in these places have probably ri…
If public opinion is so against smoking then why not let it fizzle out? Your comment exactly captures what I mean. Every government in the west more or less shared your attitude over the past decade or two and what did it get them? A bunch of populists winning elections because people like you calculated that you could push the envelope on just about ever issue all at once and while you were all probably right indivi…
Why is a non-smoker’s right not to breath in smoke not included in your calculation? Why is it only the smoker (well the smoker in a very narrow and specific case) that is being “pushed” now and not the non-smokers having been pushed for decades? The closer you live to others, the more your individual actions can and do affect others. The ‘my liberty ends where yours begins' concept. Of course there is no perfect universal right answer to any given line, but there is no obligation to “carve out” anything. I don’t want to be forced to breath in their smoke while I’m in my apartment either, and I don’t have the option to not breath.
Letting it "just fizzle out" is failing to protect the rights and freedoms of non-smokers.