I always wonder what kind of setups people have where docker destroys their network config. I have used Docker on so many systems over so many years and several distros and not once have I encountered that. Same with people who say that systemd made their system implode and wayland makes their baby cry. What are these people doing?
I don't like Docker or Podman
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Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#52> The command line interface is really badly designed. It’s ugly, hard to learn, difficult to remember, illogical, inconsistent, and just makes no sense to me at all. I wonder if the author could elaborate here.
not author but `cmd containers` does nothing, `cmd images` does `cmd image ls`, `cmd rm` does `cmd container rm`, `cmd ls` does nothing, its of course `cmd ps`, `cmd rmi`, no `cmd lsi`, no easy way to extract the resultant hash from a `cmd build`, can use a tag I suppose
Thank you for the examples.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've never used those commands... I'd rather write `docker container ls` than an obscure short-hand alias.
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#53Cool story but at least try to give some argumentation when you say stuff like: >The design of the language in Dockerfile is ad hoc in a bad way. It’s difficult to understand, for me, and easy to make mistakes. Because that reads like a skill issue to me
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#54Cool story but at least try to give some argumentation when you say stuff like: >The design of the language in Dockerfile is ad hoc in a bad way. It’s difficult to understand, for me, and easy to make mistakes. Because that reads like a skill issue to me
I really hate "skill issue" as a response
agree, not everyone has / had a mentor
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#55If encapsulating an entire operating system into a single file is more comfortable (ISO, VDI, VMDK, VHD, HDD) then a potential compromise might be SIF: https://github.com/apptainer/sif
You get the performance of containers without the complexity of micro services.
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#56I always wonder what kind of setups people have where docker destroys their network config. I have used Docker on so many systems over so many years and several distros and not once have I encountered that. Same with people who say that systemd made their system implode and wayland makes their baby cry. What are these people doing?
Docker didn't support nftables for years (idk if they even support it now). I moved my personal machine to Podman because of it!
Also port forwarding in Docker (and Podman!) still bypasses ufw/other firewalls, which is really annoying and surprising (though it doesn't in rootless).
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#57I find that although docker is heavier that it integrates well with everything and is far more practical to use so I stick with it. Trying to switch gave me a lot of headaches and burned a lot of time.
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#58You know, I don’t like it either. I don’t like the network config, or the way the commands work. But I do love the overlayfs, and the somewhat ease of documenting the installation. I love orbstack however. Every container gets his own ip and host, no need to map ports. It feels like the docker people didn’t really understand the complete network stack. I kind of abused docker/orb stack to create easy adhoc chrooted c…
Docker is very "less is more" and it shows.
Re: I don't like Docker or Podman
#59Big part of the reason of Docker's existence is that it's more lightweight than running a VM. That's like on the first page of a Docker tutorial.
It's ok to struggle to learn Docker, I'll admit took me a while to understand the benefits.
Also no need for the font to be bold, we can read normal font.
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#601. I got hurt by Docker. 2. I don't want to learn Docker. 3. I got hurt by Docker more. 4. I don't trust DockerHub. 5. Podman is just like Docker. 6. I prefer VMs because I understand them, even though I know they are slower. 7. Don't try to explain Docker to me. A rant, nothing to see here, move along.
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