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Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

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It's a shame because Perplexity is BY FAR the most useful AI tool out there. This shows they have clearly no vision and won't be able to keep afloat.

Perplexity is useful as a thin layer of product over a base model. As Sam Altman said, eventually all such startups will be steamrolled by companies that own the models.

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#53

It's a shame because Perplexity is BY FAR the most useful AI tool out there. This shows they have clearly no vision and won't be able to keep afloat.

I would have agreed up until a few weeks ago. ChatGPT search is getting better, but kind of superficial so I still preferred Perplexity. But the new Gemini Deep Research is waaay better than Perplexity at deeper Internet searches and I imagine only will continue to get better.

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#55

Obvious PR move, they don't have near enough money.

They’re suggesting a merger, not a sale.

That doesn't really help here. TikTok is at an absolute minimum an order of magnitude more valuable than Perplexity, more likely two orders of magnitude. If ownership of NewCo was even roughly proportional to the market value each side is bringing, the ownership structure doesn't meaningfully change compared to TikTok.

And when the ownership structure is the problem, it's obvious that this deal structured as a merger would solve nothing. They'd need to bring a couple of hundred billion to the table; and then we're back to this being just embarrassing, because obviously the money isn't there.

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#56
I'm not sure why people keep expecting ByteDance to actually sell TikTok. The US isn't even that big of a market for them in global terms. India was a bigger market for them, and it was way bigger than the US. They're just going to shut down in US and focus on BRICS countries instead.

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#57
post #37

Perplexity is going to be a nice headstone in the AI graveyard once the bubble pops

I disagree. The same way ByteDance has strong relationship with public and private partners in China, it's the same with Perplexity among Indian organizations based on personal experience. Worst case, they pull an Ola

Bytedance is a Chinese company. Perplexity is an American company

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#58

To me this just shows that Perplexity is definitely being controlled by some other force other than AI developers, and different from what they publicly would admit to. Perhaps the US Gov't is involved? ...because I don't think any other investors would be able to hide their true funding source and motives quite like the Gov't.

i see what you did there

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#59
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good point but there is also a lot more passive consumption than actual interaction. Also, AI video's IQ is generally pretty low now, but it still has the capacity to create very tailored experiences, such as with AI influencers automatically responding to every single comment from any viewer that donates X dollars. The are limitations to the digital avatars and video generation etc., but they are already ve…

Before investing billions in individually curated, generated influencers and content creators, maybe we should market test it first and see if it's what anybody actually wants, let alone whether it's even achievable in any meaningful way. A lot of AI people make strong assumptions about what the consumer market demand is for explicitly (as in, not "tricking" the user) AI generated art, music and content.

The fundamental issue is extremely pro-AI people do not respect any creative endeavor at all, and therefore all of this is unknowable to them. They don't know why people are interested in art or why people want to make art; movies, images, music, any form of creative expression; they simply know that people are interested in those things, and that various AI models will let them make those things without investing into the skills to execute, or indeed, even the vision to know what they might want to make. To them, a movie is not a thing you make because you want to express something: a movie is a product, brought to market, and people then pay tickets to see, and they see things like Sora as a way to make movies that people will want to see. This is the only way that the way they talk makes any sense: because they don't know why people want to see movies, them wanting to see it is treated as a given. Of course they'll want to see it, it's a movie.

And like, this isn't that weird. This is the mindset of every money-minded media executive that exists, and is why studio meddling in projects is almost universally bad, and the more meddling there is, the more frantic focus-group testing that's done, the more diluted and bad the art comes out in the end. Classic example is the original theatrical release of Blade Runner which was subject to tons of studio interference before it's release, and the studio's version is so legendarily bad that the studio itself, decades later, has all but fucking buried it at sea.

It's this particular kind of brain worms that infests people who want to get into that space, but have no desire to cultivate skill. They want to make things people love and/or get the money for doing so, but they have no idea why people make things, or why people want the things people make. Hence why all of them are tripping over themselves for their imagined AI future.

And if you think I’m being elitist or whatever, I’m just reading the marketing here. All of this stuff is sold with the primary selling point being you can make stuff without learning the skills required to make stuff so it’s naturally going to be most appealing to people who lack skills and see the acquisition of them, or more likely the difficulty involved in that, as something they don’t want to deal with.

Re: Perplexity AI submits bid to merge with TikTok

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see the demand for being able to produce content with 0 effort, but where is the demand to consume it coming from? I thought people watch tiktoks to interact with people, the desire to engage with nonhuman personalities must be extremely niche, but could be I’m in a millennial/luddite bubble.

> I see the demand for being able to produce content with 0 effort, but where is the demand to consume it coming from? There isn't one. The only type of people excited about AI content are people who are into AI, and see it as the aforementioned way to produce potentially algorithmically driven viral content with no skills or effort. And, with anything as unpredictable as various content platform's algorithms, and es…

This makes great sense to me, but just curious if you or others have a theory as for why Google routinely directs me to “content mill” churned “detritus” as opposed to engaging expert content?
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