Is there the option to get the news then as they fly in immediately in a feed?
Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
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Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#52As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…
Unfortunately this has just been the reality over the last couple years. People just ignore the hallucination problem (or try to say it isn't a big deal). And yet we have seen time and time again examples of these models being given something, told to summarize it, and still hallucinate important details. So you can't even make the argument that its data is flawed or something. These models will interject information…
> Anyone trying to argue that it doesn't happen that often or anything is missing the key problem. Sure it may be right most of the time, but all that does is build a false sense of security and eventually you stop double checking or clicking through to a source. Whether it is a search result, manipulating data, or whatever.
Same problem existed before AI summaries.
"Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."
– Michael Crichton (1942-2008)
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#53We've gone the whole way from decentralization and rebelliousness of the early internet and the landscape is becoming suffocatingly sterile (=lifeless). I'm much more excited about eventual emergence of underground homebrew models without any guardrails...
> I'm much more excited about eventual emergence of underground homebrew models without any guardrails
Not if AI gatekeepers and interest groups have anything to say about it. AI without guardrails could be classified as a "weapon" and made illegal such that we are only allowed to use models produced by regulated entities and meet certain "safety standards" (like how medical software has to be approved by FDA).
Edit: oh, I guess "underground" could be interpreted in a way that these models are still produced and distributed (but secretly, illegally, etc)
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#54There's not a lot of detail in the announcement but I assume this is some kind of RAG system. I wonder if it will cover some short time period (past week, past month?) or if they are trying to cover the whole time period since the knowledge cutoff of the current model.
My guess is that they’ll just stuff a few daily headlines into the prompt so that queries about current affairs have some context, rather than re-training the model. Total guess obviously.
RAG isn't re-training. You can have vector embeddings of all AP news in a vector DB, then when prompted, find related news via similarity search, and add the most similar (and thus related) ones to the context.
Here's some simple example code in Go, for RAG with 5000 arXiv paper abstracts: https://github.com/philippgille/chromem-go/tree/v0.7.0/examp... (full disclosure it's using a simple vector DB I wrote)
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#55Is there the option to get the news then as they fly in immediately in a feed?
I'm surprised I'd never asked that question before, since the AP and other syndicates began as teletype wire feeds. What do modern newsrooms use as the modern replacement of the AP "wire"?
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
1.3% isn't great. I'd rather just go, and pay, directly to trusted news sources. Everyone has different tolerance for falsehoods and priorities I guess.
Anything other than 0% is borderline immoral. Imagine sending a push notification to somebody's phone with a completely made-up headline summary. Even if it happens once in a hundred times, that's too much. Things like that slowly but surely erode trust and make it harder and harder to trust anything that's generated by AI, especially when it comes to news, where trustworthiness is essential, and probably the main re…
This is a ridiculous standard. News headlines at the moment would have an error rate wildly above 1.3%. The articles about Apple having trouble with LLM headlines is that the on-device model is weak and it's trying to compress too much into too few characters. I'd guess the chance of Gemini incorrectly summarising an article to be almost 0%.
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#57As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…
Uhh, has your head been in the sand? Look at the average output of your industry without ai. It gets things wrong. It misleads. It hallucinates. It has incentives that fundamentally differ from what the readership seeks in news. The fact that your industry took so readily to the technology to output ever more garbage says it all about the state of the industry vs any condemnation of the fundamental technology.
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#58As someone who works in the news industry I find it pretty sad that we've just capitulated to big tech on this one. There are countless examples of AI summaries getting things catastrophically wrong, but I guess Google has long since decided that pushing AI was more important than accurate or relevant results, as can also be seen with their search results that simply omit parts of your query. I can only hope this dat…
The news industry capitulated to big tech the moment it got reliant on big tech for the majority of its revenue. The entire media landscape today is the direct result of that.
Take it a step back further, and you will see that the media landscape capitulated to Big Anything a long time ago. For probably generations now, if we consider people like william randolf hearst and other newspaper men.
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Journalism is dying, killed by its own excesses and by the internet. Google is offering it life support. The other option is death.
And what are we going to feed into the models without the journalism?
Abrogate the direct primary inputs. Weather sensors. Wildfire cameras. Police scanners. Court proceedings. Changes to ordinances. New LLC filings. Bankrupcies. Birth records. Death records. The whole corpus of society that is automatically logged and used as the primary data for people to then perform research or develop journalism upon.
That is what you siphon up. And in output you can mad lib out an article just like those johnny on the spot AP reporters do anyhow, filling in the skeleton article about a death or an attack or a banquet or award show with the relevant input concerning the event. LLM isn't even used for finding this input but to just adjust the boilerplate, perhaps to tailor news specifically to the reader's own inclinations based on engagement with other articles collected via fingerprinting.
Re: Working with The Associated Press to provide fresh results for the Gemini app
#60FYI If you want to turn this off in workspace you'll need to go here https://admin.google.com/ac/managedsettings/47208553126 and here https://admin.google.com/ac/managedsettings/793154499678 .
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