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Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#51
post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

Is there a world in which GitHub used an open protocol for the social network part of their product like BlueSky's AT protocol[0]? [0] https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/atproto

...this is an interesting thought exercise, thank you.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#52
post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

Is there a world in which GitHub used an open protocol for the social network part of their product like BlueSky's AT protocol[0]? [0] https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/atproto

not p2p, but federated: https://forgefed.org (ActivityPub extension)

I believe Gitea has support for it, not sure to what extent.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#53
post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves.

As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#55
post #19

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people could not be more clear that their preference is for reliable and easy-to-use centralized services maintained by professionals, and not decentralized systems that require a great deal of user expertise

Thats mostly because of herdmentality not because of a considered approach. Decentralization assumes the majority are anti social.

what a convoluted way to say you do not agree with this. when you are dealing with people of all skill levels, every step that you put on the development process costs real money. over that, not everything is and has to be open source. we all have source code that is proprietary and has a value for us as it is. making that decentralized and private is not something easy to achieve (and I don't really see a benefit). the problem from my point of view is that we have a single player (github) that managed to attract a huge percent of the market and the competition, while it exists, it's minor.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#56
post #19

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people could not be more clear that their preference is for reliable and easy-to-use centralized services maintained by professionals, and not decentralized systems that require a great deal of user expertise

Thats mostly because of herdmentality not because of a considered approach. Decentralization assumes the majority are anti social.

How so?

Decentralization can be hidden from the user, it's an implementation detail.

There's literally a popular decentralized social network.

It's less about the tech, and more about the execution.

Historically we can look at LimeWire or PopcornTime as an example.

Both decentralized, both popular due to the ease-of-use.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#57
post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

Contrary to popular belief, sarcasm makes you harder to understand and is no longer cool

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#59
post #36
post #19

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people could not be more clear that their preference is for reliable and easy-to-use centralized services maintained by professionals, and not decentralized systems that require a great deal of user expertise

Ironically github is sort of the exception that proves the rule: decentralized in the one way that really matters (decoupled development on individual systems), but centralized for easy interaction in the way the market demands.

Similar thing that happens with crypto exchanges, also swift transfers and federal states for that matter.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

#60
post #4

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Yeah, this is not good. I've experienced other outages on their other products (e.g. GitHub Actions), but not even being able to do a basic git pull is an entirely different level.

I'm effectively dead in the water here. I guess I'll go touch some grass. Thank you to the SRE's who are looking at this.

Looking forward to a blogpost or writeup from github on this.
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