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Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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> Shouldn’t the people be wary of any type of authoritarian cabal? Yeah, and how do you expect the status quo authoritarian cabal to be dismantled while they are in power?

Not by replacing one authoritarian cabal with another authoritarian cabal! If the system isn’t working, fix the system don’t just adapt the broken system to serve your needs.

Fixing the system has always worked by a tug-of-war between the status quo and a opposite reaction to it to find a new middle.

I don't know of any other way a social system has been fixed that couldn't be reduced to this approach.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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DEI was so good and righteous idea that it shifted most of the western world to the right more than dozens of islamist terrorist attacks in previous decades. And ofc. all US corporations would follow this cultural change or they’ll risk antitrust/tax/law investigations from Trump and all EU government that’ll be elected in next few years.

Can you share all the sources linking DEI policies to the right-wing shift? Because to me it looks more like a scapegoat post-factum where right-wingers tied themselves to the idea of DEI to fan the flames rather than it being a causal point. It's just another selling point for the hatred-fueled base of right-wingers, not too different from "immigrants are taking your jobs" or "women in the workforce are the cause of…

GP has no obligation to do a literature search for you. This is a discussion site, not a scientific journal, so it is okay to have opinions based on other sources, such as anecdotes from personal life, first principles, or common sense/intuition.

Speaking of which, I see the same anecdotes that DEI policies pushed people to the right.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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We’re talking about corporations, not political parties. If this enforcement to hire unqualified people is happening, surely there’s lots of evidence? Internal emails and messages regularly get released as part of lawsuits. There must be lots of cases where middle managers at Apple are complaining that they’re being forced to hire an unqualified person because of a top-down edict, as you say.

just look at the LA FD: what are the chances that 3 top leaders in FD are lesbian women? Given the fact that the rest of the fire dept are white males, the chances of this happening at random are minuscule. This is the proof that people who have DEI factors are promoted to the top leadership, with the predictable poor outcomes

> with the predictable poor outcomes

Why predictable? Are lesbians incapable of being organised, unable to rebuild V8 engines, can't hold a hose because of its shape?

Have you met a significant number of lesbians?

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And by this same logic, the Nobel Committee for Physics has an obvious historical bias towards Jews, right? What else could explain 37 Jewish physics Nobel winners in the 20th century? People can simply be good at something. Maybe lesbian firefighters actually work very hard to overcome the expectations against them.

>And by this same logic, the Nobel Committee for Physics has an obvious historical bias towards Jews, right? No, because Ashkenazi Jews have been demonstrated to perform significantly better on IQ tests on average, and performance on IQ tests is associated with various intellectual outcomes like winning the Nobel Prize. On the other hand, lesbians haven't been demonstrated to perform better on any kind of metrics ass…

The correlation between Jews and Nobel Prize is much more likely attributed to social factors.

Re: Apple asks investors to block proposal to scrap diversity programmes

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I don't care either way since I'm not concerned but I can shake how bizarre and grotesque the switch to and from DEI were. The very recent example of Zuckerberg going full "masculine energy has been neutered by feminine energy" like he is some kind of Andrew Tate influencer is quite unbelievable for the CEO of a 600 billion dollars company

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just look at the LA FD: what are the chances that 3 top leaders in FD are lesbian women? Given the fact that the rest of the fire dept are white males, the chances of this happening at random are minuscule. This is the proof that people who have DEI factors are promoted to the top leadership, with the predictable poor outcomes

> with the predictable poor outcomes Why predictable? Are lesbians incapable of being organised, unable to rebuild V8 engines, can't hold a hose because of its shape? Have you met a significant number of lesbians?

I have eyes, I can read news, and I can see the results of their work in LA.

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> with the predictable poor outcomes Why predictable? Are lesbians incapable of being organised, unable to rebuild V8 engines, can't hold a hose because of its shape? Have you met a significant number of lesbians?

I have eyes, I can read news, and I can see the results of their work in LA.

But you can't explain why its predictable that lesbians --> failure.

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>what the conservatives think DEI actually is Speaking as part of a video that aired during a commercial break for the FOX show 9-1-1 about firefighter capabilities, Larson said, "Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place" https://www.newsweek.com/lafd-deputy-chief-faces-backlash-pa... DEI means lowering standards to accomodate minorities and discrimination against more qualifie…

DEI means, thinking about your hiring practices and looking hard at yourself if the population of people you hire is out of proportion with the general population. DEI can be implemented badly, but that doesn’t mean that DEI is bad

> DEI can be implemented badly, but that doesn’t mean that DEI is bad

I really doubt that DEI per your definition above can be implemented for a general benefit. Fundamentally you need to show that not hiring the best candidate is best. This is typically squared by saying that group dynamics and output improve with diverse viewpoints, which I actually agree with within limits (the limit being that if nobody agrees nothing gets done). But here we made a sleight and equated diversity based on innate properties to diversity of viewpoints, which are different things and it’s actually rather stereotypical to equate them.

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I have eyes, I can read news, and I can see the results of their work in LA.

But you can't explain why its predictable that lesbians --> failure.

it is predictable because they are hired and promoted because of their sexual identity and gender (which has no connection to job duties), not merit.

The moment you start hiring based on identity, instead of merit is when things will go south

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