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'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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To receive their wages within 30 days . This is basically just an inhouse bundled payday loan program. imo they should probably be required to pay out at the normal biweekly timescale, but it’s not nearly as awful as this title makes out

For my clients, I handle this simply. Payment due upon receipt of invoice. Then, I stop working until paid. Then I resume their project (re-queue it in my workflow).

Resorted to this after not ever getting paid too often.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

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> We’re deeply concerned that companies will try to get around the law and continue to exploit vulnerable workers by pretending they are self-employed when they should enjoy the full protection of the law. This is really the crux of the issue: why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Even referring to it as a "gig" makes it sound more like a hobby th…

What is the difference between a “gig worker” and an independent contractor? Jason Snell, the former editor of Macworld went independent after getting laid off from MacWorld. He purposefully put together streams of income consisting of podcasting, writing articles for different magazines - including MacWorld, writing for his own blog and writing technical books. He said out of those, because of the initial laws passe…

Contractors get to negotiate how much they are paid.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#53
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they're the ones benefiting from the wage theft, and complaining about low-level crime helps elect politicians that are more likely to overlook that wage theft.

That sounds hypocritical and deceptive to frame it as supporting being hard on crime in general yet selectively applied

It’s neither hypocritical nor deceptive. It’s simply selfish.

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post #14

I complain about this at the other end of the cash flow cycle all the time: having to pay to pay. When a service, often my local municipality, charges a fee to pay a fee. VISA is arguably the biggest mafia organization in the world... 3% of all retain sales worldwide? Why? With the proliferation of 3rd party "payment processors", and the accompanying crimes commited, The Fed has instituted a central bank hosted insta…

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Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#55

"Gig workers" gets the headline, but this is really just highlighting that contractors of all sorts get shafted with regards to payment timelines. "Standard 30+ day delay" is pretty common for contractors of all sorts, and is part of the reason contracting rates should be so much higher than standard employment. But it's kinda shitty and usually due to laziness on the corp's part rather than any particular actuarial…

add, this is typical whether your a single employee contractor or a multiple employee contractor with the least leverage in the deal. Its a fact of real life, not a ploy against the self-employeed

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#56

> We’re deeply concerned that companies will try to get around the law and continue to exploit vulnerable workers by pretending they are self-employed when they should enjoy the full protection of the law. This is really the crux of the issue: why do we pretend that gig workers don't deserve the same benefits and protections that proper employees do? Even referring to it as a "gig" makes it sound more like a hobby th…

I can't help but feel the problem is that someone becomes "full time" in the US after exactly 40 hours. I feel like some kind of gradient system would be ideal. Like if you work 10 hours a week you get 25% of the cash value of benefits. That way, a company wouldn't be incentivized to keep them right below the limit.

What are those benefits that don't scale with salary?

I know the US has that health-care thing, is it just that or there are other ones that need a cut time somewhere?

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of touch. Imagine trying to tell your landlord or the grocery store they'll get their money in 30 days, and by the way thanks for the food!

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Your friends are not the ones I was calling out of touch.

The company in the OP set up "a new payment system" without warning to their workers, and now people are getting paid 30 days later than previously agreed upon. If you think that the average person won't be impacted by not getting paid for a month, then yes, I stand by my statement.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#58

Just wait, pretty soon we will have "fee fees". A fee charged so the company can charge more fees.

Let's face it, we're getting there. TicketMaster, similarly, with its convenience fees:

- want to get your ticket 'delivered' via email? Convenience Fee!

- want it mailed to you? Convenience Fee!

- want to pick it up at the box office? Convenience Fee!

When you consider all your available delivery options to be "convenient", it's just a fee.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#59
post #45

I got lucky, I wrecked my car (not while doing a gig) but my insurance company was like "were you doing a gig job?". Had to prove I wasn't. I don't get in many wrecks, had 1 in my life so far that was this bad (totaled car). edit: I'm aware you're supposed to get some kind of special business insurance but at the time I was not aware of that. Thankfully this insurance company who I had been with for almost 10 years h…

> Had to prove I wasn't. How did you prove it? What is their standard of evidence? My intuition says it would be difficult to prove a negative.

I would think the burden is on them to prove that you were. They were just digging for a reason to deny the claim.

If the police report mentions an second individual in the car unrelated to you then they might start digging around for your name in Uber or Lyft, but most of the time that is probably just a standard question to screw over the unwary.

Re: 'So immoral': gig economy workers forced to pay fee to receive their wages

#60
post #14

I complain about this at the other end of the cash flow cycle all the time: having to pay to pay. When a service, often my local municipality, charges a fee to pay a fee. VISA is arguably the biggest mafia organization in the world... 3% of all retain sales worldwide? Why? With the proliferation of 3rd party "payment processors", and the accompanying crimes commited, The Fed has instituted a central bank hosted insta…

Almost no one uses FedNow (which would theoretically bring the U.S. almost on-par with European Open Banking) because the banks really don't have much incentive to integrate with it, especially if they're the ones making money by issuing debit and credit cards.

The banks making money off of the shakedown is certainly a part of the problem.

But I bank at a local credit union, and I've mentioned FedNow to about 5 different branch managers. So far, no one has even heard of it 8-/

They just cancelled a relationship with zelle (which I didn't like or use), and I've suggested that tehy replace it with FedNow, but no one even knows what i'm talking about.

p.s. Love your username mosburger! My favorite Japanese fast food chain! Especially for their offering of the YasaiBurger...

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