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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by Semaphor »

DandyDev wrote: post #46
akkartik wrote: post #37

I'd pay $10 in a heartbeat if Kagi reliably used all my search keywords. But they don't, and I don't understand it. Just use all my words except stop words. I took the trouble to type them in. I don't care if your coverage isn't as good as Google in its heyday. "0 search results" should be a mark of pride now.

I find it interesting that another comment states that they love Kagi exactly because Kagi uses all their search terms as opposed to Google. Not doubting your experience here, but I wonder how those experiences can differ so much.

That comment you refer to confused me, as I have a similar experience as OP (posted in a sibling comment).

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by pockmarked19 »

DandyDev wrote: post #46
akkartik wrote: post #37

I'd pay $10 in a heartbeat if Kagi reliably used all my search keywords. But they don't, and I don't understand it. Just use all my words except stop words. I took the trouble to type them in. I don't care if your coverage isn't as good as Google in its heyday. "0 search results" should be a mark of pride now.

I find it interesting that another comment states that they love Kagi exactly because Kagi uses all their search terms as opposed to Google. Not doubting your experience here, but I wonder how those experiences can differ so much.

Say something positive about kagi, receive karma.

Say something negative about google, receive karma.

No place with this kind of system should be relied on for veracious claims.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#53

Post by huesatbri »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #9

How well does Kagi work for places outside the US and non-English languages? I've only ever seen it mentioned by US users, so I have no clue how support is elsewhere. I briefly tried duckduckgo and its non-US/non-english search results seemed to be lacking (though this was about 2 years ago).

I fallback to google when I need to search for anything shopping related, e.g. in what store can I get this item in my country.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by PhilippGille »

Semaphor wrote: post #50
akkartik wrote: post #37

I'd pay $10 in a heartbeat if Kagi reliably used all my search keywords. But they don't, and I don't understand it. Just use all my words except stop words. I took the trouble to type them in. I don't care if your coverage isn't as good as Google in its heyday. "0 search results" should be a mark of pride now.

It’s highly annoying to me as well. I’m still paying for now, but since they started (I was using them in Beta), they’ve been slowly using towards the mainstream "implicit" behavior and away from "explicit" behavior. I now see myself quoting terms far more often, which has other disadvantages (no typo correction, diacritics becoming relevant, etc.). It’s the same for regional searches. Used to be (until Dec 2023) I c…

Did you raise it to the Kagi feedback forum [1] already? Based on Kagi's release notes [2] they regularly fix things like this.

[1] https://kagifeedback.org/

[2] https://kagi.com/changelog

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#55

Post by mistercheph »

pockmarked19 wrote: post #52
DandyDev wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that another comment states that they love Kagi exactly because Kagi uses all their search terms as opposed to Google. Not doubting your experience here, but I wonder how those experiences can differ so much.

Say something positive about kagi, receive karma. Say something negative about google, receive karma. No place with this kind of system should be relied on for veracious claims.

It's not a system, you are just describing sentiment, people generally like Kagi and generally dislike Google.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by yowayb »

mulderc wrote: post #15

My brief review of Kagi: I’m never going back to ad-supported search. I rely heavily on internet search for my job, and Kagi has made everything so much faster that I’ve almost stopped thinking about the search engine entirely. Google search had become frustratingly ineffective, often requiring me to dig deep to find what I needed. With Kagi, it just works. I rarely have to scroll beyond the first few results. In fac…

And for Android, the Brave widget with Kagi search makes it all just a bit more convenient!

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by Semaphor »

PhilippGille wrote: post #54
Semaphor wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s highly annoying to me as well. I’m still paying for now, but since they started (I was using them in Beta), they’ve been slowly using towards the mainstream "implicit" behavior and away from "explicit" behavior. I now see myself quoting terms far more often, which has other disadvantages (no typo correction, diacritics becoming relevant, etc.). It’s the same for regional searches. Used to be (until Dec 2023) I c…

Did you raise it to the Kagi feedback forum [1] already? Based on Kagi's release notes [2] they regularly fix things like this. [1] https://kagifeedback.org/ [2] https://kagi.com/changelog

The issue thread about regional search has been open since January 2024 [0], with a lot of talk but no change at all. Some people like the change because they apparently always search in regional mode and want all results there. I posted several examples of my issues there.

I also asked on discord about the dropping of search terms and was just told to use verbatim search (quotes) if I don’t want dropped terms.

[0]: https://kagifeedback.org/d/3022-ideas-for-improving-localint...

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by gherkinnn »

mattl wrote: post #23

I’d happily pay for it if they stopped doing AI bullshit. That I won’t pay for.

Ending a Kagi query with a ? gives ok responses with plenty of citations. And those citations are a goldmine when exploring an unknown topic. And it's unobtrusive. I don't see the issue.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by Veen »

DandyDev wrote: post #48
mattl wrote: post #23

I’d happily pay for it if they stopped doing AI bullshit. That I won’t pay for.

And you don't have to pay for it? The lower tiers that Kagi offers doesn't have AI stuff it seems.

The lower tiers don't have Kagi Assistant, but they do have the Quick Answer and Summarization features. You can turn them off or not use them though, so it shouldn't really be an issue.
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