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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by cchance » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:46 PM UTC

babyent wrote: post #35

avgDev wrote: post #16

It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after his pedo comments in regards to the cave rescuers. The smart/geeky/techy guy is a facade. I mainly would not consider Tesla because of Musk. The poor build quality just reinforces that stance.

Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Too expensive, thats the big issue, EV's that are decent outside of tesla are just so fuckin expensive, or from legacy automakers that seem to just want to shove a EV engine in a shitty old design

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by FloorEgg » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:46 PM UTC

j4coh wrote: post #38

davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by camhart » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:46 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by light_hue_1 » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Hated for Tesla isn't here on HN. It's out in the world.

Back even 5 years ago the brand was crazy hot. Everyone loved it. People at work, driving around, students on campus would stop me to ask about it. There was nothing else you could drive that signaled you cared about the environment and wanted to do something about it.

Now, the brand is completely toxic.

People talk about it apologetically. No one is proud or happy to own one. The best anyone says now is that there was nothing else good on the market at the time or they bought it before.

Heck. My wife loves our Tesla. Never wanted to drive anything else. We were going to keep buying them until the end of time. She now refuses to buy another one.

If you told me a few years ago that in a few months I'll be buying a VW instead of a Tesla I would have thought you were crazy.

Really, in my circles it's gone from a positive signal to an embarrassing negative one at best.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by piva00 » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

jp42 wrote: post #15

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

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It's not the MSM charging on him, it's pretty easy to see his views online since he loves the megaphone.

He just turned out to be a shit person to a lot of folks. People soured on him, actively disliking him by getting to know more of his unfiltered public persona.

A few years ago he was an eccentric billionaire running a EV company, a space company, lots of cool stuff happening. Now he's someone trying to meddle on the politics of multiple countries for pushing his own agenda: USA, Brazil, the UK, Germany, Ukraine, etc.

It's not the MSM reporting that created the issue, it's just and purely himself creating the heat...

His pathetic public diatribes are there for everyone to see, some people love it but seems like quite a lot hate it. I'm one of those, used to think "whatever" about Musk's eccentricity and nowadays I really dislike whatever that shell of a human being is, a pathetic man-child with too much power.

It's a shame because if not he'd have a very fucking impressive list of achievements as a savvy businessperson to live by, he's just a broken person with too much power.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by thoeaway298472 » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #31

davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.

Multiple things can be bad at the same time. Those other billionaires are off topic in a post about Tesla. Musk isn't.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by earthnail » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

jp42 wrote: post #15

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

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I think it’s important to note that he started hating on mainstream media before mainstream hated him back. I don’t see any fault on mainstream media’s side.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by mbesto » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars"

I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle:

- Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to charge")

- Lack of experience and knowledge around regenerative breaking

- Poor battery performance in cold/extreme heat

- Misunderstood maintenance changes. Instead of oil changes/filters/etc, your tires wear 20~30% faster and you have to replace the battery every 10 years.

The reality is it's not me that's saying this, the used car market is saying this. EVs simply don't hold their value on the used market.

https://www.iseecars.com/cars-that-hold-their-value-study

FYI - I'm a proud owner of a Rivian after selling my Tesla.

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Post by grapesodaaaaa » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

jp42 wrote: post #15

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

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For me, it was just looking at the garbage he started spewing online. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when the MSM turned on him, but wow, his tweets are really bad.

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Post by idk1 » Thu, Jan 02, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

The CEO of Tesla has just called for the UK govenment to free one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (also known as Tommy Robinson) from prison.