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Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by scotty79 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #24
ilaksh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not just confusing, its misleading. The marketing copy is being confused for technical terminology. At 2880 pixels wide, the new MacBook Pro resolution is about 1.5 times as many pixels across the screen as a typical high resolution display at 1900 pixels.

> At 2880 pixels wide, the new MacBook Pro resolution is about 1.5 times as many pixels across the screen as a typical high resolution display at 1900 pixels. A typical high resolution display of what physical size? Using the resolution is meaningless, it's the DPI that's important in this case. Also, the 2x is not really marketing copy. It's the number of physical pixels that make up each geometric "point" in an App…

Resolution is only thing that matters. It tells how much information you can cram into a screen. If pixels are too large move back. If they are too small move closer. If your screen is glued to the keyboard. Detach it. Like in asus transformer.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by ScottBurson »

rorrr wrote: post #46
Tyrant505 wrote: post #10

"but it won’t be long before Retina Cinema Displays replace their outdated siblings" I was honestly surprised with each retina release by Apple starting with the IPhone4. After the initial “aww” of it had passed, it was easier to wrap your head around its production due to its relatively small screen. Now we have 15” macbook pro’s with retina. Apple released a professional production machine for its retina ecosystem…

Search for "Catleap" or "Qnix" on e-bay. 2560x1440px 27" IPS displays at $295 (free shipping). http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Qnix-27-LED-Monitor-Full-HD-2560... http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Qnix-27-LED-Monitor-Full-HD-2560... http://www.ebay.com/itm/27-Inch-New-Potalion-2710QW-2560x144... http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Tempered-Glass-27-Yamakasi-Catle...

But the Retina MBP is already past that resolution on a 15" screen (2880x1800). If "Retina" means 2x the standard resolution, we'd need 24" monitors at 3840x2400 and 27" monitors at 5120x2880. I wonder if even Thunderbolt could drive that.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by neya »

This is a ridiculous post by some random guy who is pro-Apple.

Do you know how long it took for 1024x768 to significantly vanish? And you're talking about retina's in 3 years. Lulz.

The world is huge my friend, and it includes a major portion where people don't (or even want to) own Macs and many of them are still on Legacy hardware. By many, I mean MANY. In three years, 1920x1024 might become fairly standard, but to even think of retina as a standard is definitely an overkill. I'm surprised this is even posted on HN.

Oh wait..its the same guy who wrote it..

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by Swizec »

swombat wrote: post #47
hapless wrote: post #36

This is hilarious. Pro tip: not all your users are graphic designers. It may be the case that the author, and everyone he knows, has new "retina" products from Apple. That's wonderful. But it can't be taken to represent a broader userbase. It seems to me that the web's mainstream properties are built for workers in large corporations to fiddle with when they should be working. Most of these people have 1280x1024, 96…

Speak again in 3 years. Today, I am a geek (not really a designer) and 2 out of 3 of my devices have retina displays already (iPhone and iPad). Within much less than 3 years, all my devices will. Within 3 years, there will be no Apple device being sold that doesn't have a Retina display. Will other vendors follow suit? If they don't, they'll be left in the dust, so I imagine they will have to, if they can. It's usual…

Just so you know, a whole bunch of laptops have been coming with "retina" displays for years now.

They'd call it a "Full HD" laptop so it doesn't sound as shiny, but it's still a 15 or 17 inch screen with a 1920x1080 resolution.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by orta »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #14
rflrob wrote: post #7

The article raises the specter of a "1x-tax", along the lines of the "IE7 tax". The difference, of course, is that it's easy and free for people to upgrade their browsers, whereas upgrading the screen is not. As inconvenient as it is for the designers, it would be incredibly bad PR to say, in essence, "Only rich computer users should be using our site".

That should really not be a problem. Websites and apps can detect and load appropriate images for 2x or 1x displays. Same for apps. You design for 2x, and downsample for 1x.

They can, but that's a huge additional bandwidth/size cost for both web and native apps.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by aidenn0 »

Swizec wrote: post #54
swombat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak again in 3 years. Today, I am a geek (not really a designer) and 2 out of 3 of my devices have retina displays already (iPhone and iPad). Within much less than 3 years, all my devices will. Within 3 years, there will be no Apple device being sold that doesn't have a Retina display. Will other vendors follow suit? If they don't, they'll be left in the dust, so I imagine they will have to, if they can. It's usual…

Just so you know, a whole bunch of laptops have been coming with "retina" displays for years now. They'd call it a "Full HD" laptop so it doesn't sound as shiny, but it's still a 15 or 17 inch screen with a 1920x1080 resolution.

Indeed, my last 2 dell laptops were 1920x1200 with 15" screens.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by tharax »

AlexandrB wrote: post #24
ilaksh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not just confusing, its misleading. The marketing copy is being confused for technical terminology. At 2880 pixels wide, the new MacBook Pro resolution is about 1.5 times as many pixels across the screen as a typical high resolution display at 1900 pixels.

> At 2880 pixels wide, the new MacBook Pro resolution is about 1.5 times as many pixels across the screen as a typical high resolution display at 1900 pixels. A typical high resolution display of what physical size? Using the resolution is meaningless, it's the DPI that's important in this case. Also, the 2x is not really marketing copy. It's the number of physical pixels that make up each geometric "point" in an App…

Isn't that ratio 4x then? Or am I not understanding retina displays correctly?

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by wmf »

Swizec wrote: post #54
swombat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak again in 3 years. Today, I am a geek (not really a designer) and 2 out of 3 of my devices have retina displays already (iPhone and iPad). Within much less than 3 years, all my devices will. Within 3 years, there will be no Apple device being sold that doesn't have a Retina display. Will other vendors follow suit? If they don't, they'll be left in the dust, so I imagine they will have to, if they can. It's usual…

Just so you know, a whole bunch of laptops have been coming with "retina" displays for years now. They'd call it a "Full HD" laptop so it doesn't sound as shiny, but it's still a 15 or 17 inch screen with a 1920x1080 resolution.

But people haven't been running those in 2x mode, so they don't require special design.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by alexpenny »

rorrr wrote: post #41
densh wrote: post #21

In my opinion Photoshop is absolutely inappropriate tool in this new era. It was never really meant to design user interfaces. Designers should finally stop thinking in terms of pixels as they don't really make any sense if your application will be shown on screens with more than one kind of pixel density. There should be no problems with using vector graphics on high resolution screens and it will look much better o…

HTML doesn't support vector images well. Yeah, you have SVG in modern browsers, but which one is easier? or (fails in IE8- and IE9 quirks)

CSS does support vector images. It's equally easy to do as their raster pals.

Re: The Retina War is upon us.

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Post by elithrar »

Swizec wrote: post #54
swombat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak again in 3 years. Today, I am a geek (not really a designer) and 2 out of 3 of my devices have retina displays already (iPhone and iPad). Within much less than 3 years, all my devices will. Within 3 years, there will be no Apple device being sold that doesn't have a Retina display. Will other vendors follow suit? If they don't, they'll be left in the dust, so I imagine they will have to, if they can. It's usual…

Just so you know, a whole bunch of laptops have been coming with "retina" displays for years now. They'd call it a "Full HD" laptop so it doesn't sound as shiny, but it's still a 15 or 17 inch screen with a 1920x1080 resolution.

> Just so you know, a whole bunch of laptops have been coming with "retina" displays for years now. They'd call it a "Full HD" laptop so it doesn't sound as shiny, but it's still a 15 or 17 inch screen with a 1920x1080 resolution.

That is different, though. 1080p on a 15" display is 146PPI; a "Retina" display (2880x1800) is 226PPI. That's a significant difference.

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