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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by wkat4242 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #23
sevg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what was horrible and unfair about it? (Genuine question, I don’t know anything about how it was done.)

It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth. If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.

For me the price of accommodation is pretty prohibitive. It's one of the most expensive times of the year and Germany is also one of the most expensive countries in Europe. I've looked at it once but the hotels were too expensive for me (I think it was in Hamburg then).

But it's ok, I can watch it online. I don't like travelling during this busy period anyway.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by bleakenthusiasm »

Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

They usually do Translation live, so I'd be very surprised if they didn't offer them in the stream as well. They always offer English and I think some talks have been live-transcribed, too, for people with hearing disabilities, but that might be automated by now.

Personally I think it's good you are not forced to present in English. I know enough people who are not comfortable enough with English to present in it. There are also some niche topics that have a focus on Germany. For these sometimes German brings a bit of nuance/local flair that you can't really translate. For these I'm happy that German is available as the original and then the translators will do their best to provide an English second best.

To some degree I find it inevitable that conferences situated in countries that are not native English speaking will have some program points in the local language. As long as they offer help with understanding the content, I don't see an issue with this, regardless of how big/influential they are.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by ahartmetz »

cbmuser wrote: post #44
jeffreygoesto wrote: post #36

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Maybe it is a valid position to ask where the money for "get rich" comes from and if society would be different if it wasn't all about that money trickling upwards? Have you been to schools or nursing homes lately, having to let dear relatives go there?

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

I have yet to see someone advocating for actual socialism. There is a huge difference between social democracy and socialism, but it's a popular argumentation technique in the US to pretend that they are the same.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by [deleted] »

ahartmetz wrote: post #53
cbmuser wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

I have yet to see someone advocating for actual socialism. There is a huge difference between social democracy and socialism, but it's a popular argumentation technique in the US to pretend that they are the same.

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by usr1106 »

Scarblac wrote: post #17
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

On the one hand, communication is easiest if everybody uses the same language. On the other, the dominance of English is one thing that gives US too much cultural power. I think I'm happy that there is still content in other languages out there.

Communication is not good if everybody speaks the same language at a different level. I have worked in English for close to 30 years and been at many international conferences, presented myself a couple of times. Still I feel handicapped in some presentations/discussions that are dominated by native speakers not using offshore English.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by mytailorisrich »

ahartmetz wrote: post #53
cbmuser wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

I have yet to see someone advocating for actual socialism. There is a huge difference between social democracy and socialism, but it's a popular argumentation technique in the US to pretend that they are the same.

There are socialist parties in every European countries, and some of them get a lot of votes.

In Germany, Die Linke is anti-capitalist and advocates "actual socialism" and current has 39 MPs in the Bundestag.

In France, LFI (France Unbowed) is anti-capitalist and advocates "actual socialism" and currently has 71 MPs in the French parliament (second largest party by number of MPs...). There are also several smaller parties that are more "hardcore", including the historic French Communist Party that still has 8 MPs and 14 Senators...

Now I do agree that social democracy is not socialism, but again, plenty of socialists in Europe, too.

On a related note, when people claim that they are "anti-capitalist" (which seems to be more popular than claiming to be socialist) it does not really leave many alternatives, just semantic flavours of socialism.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by miki123211 »

korfuri wrote: post #45
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

Hi, I'm a long standing CCC interpreter (volunteer of course). We aim to interpret live 100% of the talks in German (* we do not always interpret things that aren't strictly speaking talks, like poetry readings or performance art, although we try to make these as accessible as we can). We also interpret various talks into other languages - we have a sizeable team working on French and Spanish interpretation, and depe…

Thank you, I didn't realize this existed.

I have accessibility needs (screen reader user) that make subtitles less fun to use than they would otherwise be, and I speak no German, so those interpreted recordings would be really great for me.

I assume you don't publish on Youtube? That's how I usually consume CCC content, mostly due to YT's recommendation algorithms and excellent cross-device "continue playback" support.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by miki123211 »

Scarblac wrote: post #17
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

On the one hand, communication is easiest if everybody uses the same language. On the other, the dominance of English is one thing that gives US too much cultural power. I think I'm happy that there is still content in other languages out there.

> On the other, the dominance of English is one thing that gives US too much cultural power.

I think you got the causation wrong; the dominance of English is due to the US having cultural power, not the other way around.

If this were true, you'd see Ireland, Canada and Australia also having significant cultural power, and this just isn't the case.

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