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An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by gamble »

jbarham wrote: post #21
jpxxx wrote: post #4

Awesome! Now if Google can just distribute it beyond the initial five launch nations, create meaningful product support, rework a half million third-party applications, and answer growing malware concerns they'll have a sweet two-month sales window all to themselves before you-know-who barges into their market. I want one anyway.

> Now if Google can just distribute it beyond the initial five launch nations... That's still much better than the Amazon Fire which AFAIK isn't even sold outside of the US. See also this article from The Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3122716/nexus-7-internatio... ("The Nexus 7's most important price is £159, not $199").

Amazon's media stores are all but nonexistent outside the US, and the Fire is sold at cost with the expectation they'll recoup on media sales, so it's not surprising they haven't released it elsewhere. Google's non-US media stores are pretty bad too.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

kamechan wrote: post #32
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So their tablet will be at a higher API level than pretty much every Android device out there. You still can't use the latest OS features as a dev unless it's OK for the Nexus 7 to have exclusive features. Or maybe Google has another go at direct handset sales, or they withhold updates to maintain parity across their flagship products. At the moment being a "Google device" doesn't actually guarantee you anything. Edi…

My nexus 7 has JB, my Galaxy Nexus has JB, how is that out of sync?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/11/jelly_bean_updates/

Not everyone with a Galaxy Nexus will get it.

But my complaint is moot. I didn't really think it through. They are just going to stagger updates like they always have.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by taligent »

redthrowaway wrote: post #48
simonh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder when I read a comment like this. Is 'objective' a proxy for 'positive'? Is the implication that his negative reviews of previous Android tablets were not objective? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Sorry for picking on you particularly but the word Objective is a very loaded one.

Objective, to me, means 'not based upon personal tastes, opinions, and biases'. So this review is completely subjective, as it's based entirely upon what he likes. Regardless, it is nice to see him set the homer hat aside and write an article that wasn't either heaping praise on Apple or scorn on Google. MG Siegler is as subjective as any reviewer, but that's not what matters. What matters is that you can usually tel…

Right so your definition of objective is "agrees with what I think".

And if he doesn't then he works for Apple PR.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by taligent »

jbarham wrote: post #21
jpxxx wrote: post #4

Awesome! Now if Google can just distribute it beyond the initial five launch nations, create meaningful product support, rework a half million third-party applications, and answer growing malware concerns they'll have a sweet two-month sales window all to themselves before you-know-who barges into their market. I want one anyway.

> Now if Google can just distribute it beyond the initial five launch nations... That's still much better than the Amazon Fire which AFAIK isn't even sold outside of the US. See also this article from The Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3122716/nexus-7-internatio... ("The Nexus 7's most important price is £159, not $199").

Amazon Fire is available in Australia I know that much.

And why compare yourself against Amazon when Apple is rumored to be launching an iPad Mini which will be sold in 30+ countries almost immediately after launch.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by pooriaazimi »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #39
telcodud wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPad 2 has a dpi of 132, Nexus 7 213, and iPad 3 264. Nexus 7, while not "retina", is closer to iPad 3 than iPad 2.

No. You usually hold a 7" tablet closer to your eyes than a 10" one. So, for its pixels to appear the same to your poor eyes as pixels on an 246 ppi iPad 3, it must have a pixel density of 290 or so.

I think what I said is true. I can't understand why it's been downvoted...

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by tonfa »

glimcat wrote: post #10
georgemcbay wrote: post #3

I actually think that post-ICS and especially with Jelly Bean that Android is a superior tablet OS to iOS, at least for me. There's basically no feature on iOS that I miss when I'm on Android, but a few (eg. custom keyboards, the overall intent system, etc) that I miss when I'm on iOS. iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) and between that and iOS ec…

Jelly Bean added a bunch of stuff that I'm very happy to see as a developer. But it will take a long while for that to trickle down to the user level, even for people who get on Jelly Bean quickly. On the other hand, this translates into bucketloads of low-hanging fruit if you're an Android developer.

> But it will take a long while for that to trickle down to the user level

If the Nexus 7 has the same success as the Kindle Fire (or better) then a large proportion of tablet users would be on JB.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by shinratdr »

w1ntermute wrote: post #9
wavephorm wrote: post #7

Why after a few years is noone able to build a 10 inch tablet? I honestly don't care how good an Android tablet is, I'm just so accustomed to the iPad form factor that I won't give it up. To get me interested, an Android manufacturer needs to come up with a bezel-less 9" or 10" tablet with more screen real estate than the iPad.

I've had a Transformer Prime for several months and have been enjoying the supposedly unobtainable Android tablet experience that everyone is waiting for. It runs stock ICS and has a 10.1" screen, and I actually wish it had a bit more of a bezel. I really don't understand why people are ignoring the Transformer Prime. And the Transformer Infinity is coming out tomorrow, with a 1920x1200 screen, fixes to the Transform…

> Ignoring good products seems to be a big issue with Android - with phones, people are complaining about skinning and lack of updates when the Galaxy Nexus is just sitting there waiting for buyers (I've already got Jelly Bean running on my GN).

One of the main selling points of the Android ecosystem is "Look at all the device choice you have".

It's hardly surprising that if you sell people on that then turn around and say "Of course if you want an experience that doesn't suck, here is a list of about three devices that will provide that experience" they don't exactly heed that advice.

Pinning the issue on consumers just doing what they're told both misses the point and passes the buck. The market shouldn't be flooded with shitty Android devices that are quickly abandoned by carriers and have no reason to exist. Having HTC or Motorola written on the back doesn't mean anything. Google should be holding their hardware partners to a certain standard and they aren't.

That isn't the consumer's fault, that blame lies squarely on Google. They have the power to enforce this via their Google services contracts and they choose not to. It shouldn't be a choice between getting the device you want and getting one of the good ones.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by codeka »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #55
pooriaazimi wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. You usually hold a 7" tablet closer to your eyes than a 10" one. So, for its pixels to appear the same to your poor eyes as pixels on an 246 ppi iPad 3, it must have a pixel density of 290 or so.

I think what I said is true. I can't understand why it's been downvoted...

I didn't down vote, but how did you come up with 290 as a value?

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by cageface »

taligent wrote: post #53
redthrowaway wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Objective, to me, means 'not based upon personal tastes, opinions, and biases'. So this review is completely subjective, as it's based entirely upon what he likes. Regardless, it is nice to see him set the homer hat aside and write an article that wasn't either heaping praise on Apple or scorn on Google. MG Siegler is as subjective as any reviewer, but that's not what matters. What matters is that you can usually tel…

Right so your definition of objective is "agrees with what I think". And if he doesn't then he works for Apple PR.

And if he doesn't then he works for Apple PR.

Siegler's previous pieces very strongly give this impression.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by vibrunazo »

georgemcbay wrote: post #3

I actually think that post-ICS and especially with Jelly Bean that Android is a superior tablet OS to iOS, at least for me. There's basically no feature on iOS that I miss when I'm on Android, but a few (eg. custom keyboards, the overall intent system, etc) that I miss when I'm on iOS. iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) and between that and iOS ec…

> iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps)

I keep hearing that. But never seen it backed up. Based on exactly what does people say this? There's no efficient way to "count" Android tablet optimized apps. So how do you compare? Is it because there are some major apps that still works bad on Android tablets? If so, which ones?

I remember when Honeycomb just came out. It was terrible, most apps I'd download looked terrible, and I furiously uninstalled many of them. It was so frustrating. But it has been a long time since I don't feel like that anymore. Today, every app I use on my phone is nicely optimized for my tablet as well. I literally cannot think of a single example of one app I'm missing tablet support for. Yet, the "Android still doesn't have tablet optimized apps" meme didn't stop.

But maybe I'm just living under a rock and haven't been using the same apps as others. So I humbly ask, could anyone please give me an objective argument for this point to understand if there's actually still any merit to it?

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