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Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by msbarnett »

Flow wrote: post #49
pathdependent wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring what other users have said (bloat, speed, noise, etc), I find that my code in an editor like ST2/TextMate/VIM ends up being substantially better and more maintainable than code written in a full-blow IDE. The full-blow IDE may mask code smell by making it easy to push on when things get ugly. For a trivial example, if you can't remember the name of some function you wrote in another module, it may be the cas…

I find that with a good IDE I can regard every name as a temporary name till I feel I clearly know what the best name would be. A bit like a sketcher could draw a few lines and see where that leads.

That's less a property of IDEs than a side-effect of working with extremely static languages that are amenable to that kind of global-rename analysis.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by FuzzyDunlop »

hemancuso wrote: post #36

The most consistent pushback against ST2 is how ugly and non-native folk find it. Lots of us get past that and really give it a chance, but I can't help but hope that Jon reads this and considers spending a couple weeks/months purely on styling, possibly with the help of a specialist. It doesn't improve the editor's functionality, but sales and adoption wise I think it would go a long way. Especially on the Mac. Spec…

Totally disagree on the config point. In fact I think the system should be made more simple, so you can keep your editor settings in a dotfile repo. It's not so simple to do this when the settings files themselves are buried in a packages folder, and you have to take care not to accidentally commit your license along with it all.

Hell, even just having the option to parse settings and load plugins from a local dotfile, like vim or emacs, would be nice. The rationale for wanting this is that the config is just text, and is something you'll progressively hone over time (esp. with keybindings).

Split windows would be much better if you could mix and match the size, or have a non-standard layout.

One of ST's real benefits could be its position as a beginner's introduction to vim and/or emacs. It's already immediately more accessible.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by nicholassmith »

steverandy wrote: post #12
swombat wrote: post #11

I gave ST2 about three months too, but I haven't found enough to keep me. I've moved back to Macvim...

Anybody tried ST2 and moved back to TextMate?

I know someone who did, said it never felt as smooth for Rails dev, but he'd spent years in it grinding code out so it's hard to retrain that muscle memory. I didn't like TM much to start with some ST2 was an easier switch.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by FuzzyDunlop »

calinet6 wrote: post #41
markokocic wrote: post #34

I really liked Sublime Text, but each time I try to search for some word in 20MB log file it reminds me how slow and unresponsive it is compared to Emacs. The closest to my ideal editor would be Emacs with visual appearance of ST2.

Hm, that's pretty odd, I found its handling of large files to be pretty fast for a GUI editor, and "slow and unresponsive" accurately describes the opposite of why I like Sublime. Especially since it's always non-blocking, e.g. when you load a large file, a progress bar appears as it loads into memory but the rest of the editor continues to work without a hiccup. Quite nice. Besides, it wasn't designed to search log…

The speed of ST's find function never fails to take me by surprise. Even with thousands of files it'll never take more than a second. In fact, it's sometimes only slow when it can't find something.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by alttab »

Does anyone else feel like if we spent all the time masterbating about our text editor writing software instead in something that just works the world would have better software? The amount of text editor posts I see on HN lately is astonishing.

The less emphasis we put on tools the more we can rely on skill. We should all just use notepad for a year and see what all that extra time produces.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by netghost »

steverandy wrote: post #12
swombat wrote: post #11

I gave ST2 about three months too, but I haven't found enough to keep me. I've moved back to Macvim...

Anybody tried ST2 and moved back to TextMate?

I'm sort of on the fence. I'm still using TextMate at work, but trying ST2 for some personal projects. It's pretty good, but there are a few things I miss, for instance TextMate packages make great use outputting HTML to a webview for things like Markdown previews, SVN/Git blame, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but there doesn't seem to be anything quite the same in ST2.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by Lockyy »

hemancuso wrote: post #36

The most consistent pushback against ST2 is how ugly and non-native folk find it. Lots of us get past that and really give it a chance, but I can't help but hope that Jon reads this and considers spending a couple weeks/months purely on styling, possibly with the help of a specialist. It doesn't improve the editor's functionality, but sales and adoption wise I think it would go a long way. Especially on the Mac. Spec…

I disagree with you on the colour scheme and absolutely adore how st2 looks. However, I completely agree about the find results tab. It's incredibly annoying not being able to edit from within that. It might as well just give me a list of what files what I want to find is in because I end up having to open them up manually anyway.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by BadassFractal »

alttab wrote: post #55

Does anyone else feel like if we spent all the time masterbating about our text editor writing software instead in something that just works the world would have better software? The amount of text editor posts I see on HN lately is astonishing. The less emphasis we put on tools the more we can rely on skill. We should all just use notepad for a year and see what all that extra time produces.

You learn vim / emacs very well once, you use them for the rest of your life. It's time well invested.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by Peaker »

alttab wrote: post #55

Does anyone else feel like if we spent all the time masterbating about our text editor writing software instead in something that just works the world would have better software? The amount of text editor posts I see on HN lately is astonishing. The less emphasis we put on tools the more we can rely on skill. We should all just use notepad for a year and see what all that extra time produces.

Why so fancy? Just COPY CON.

Re: Three Months with Sublime Text 2

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Post by cageface »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #50
cageface wrote: post #2

I read feature lists of editors like this and wonder why people just don't use a good IDE like IntelliJ. It does everything in this list and a lot more with minimal configuration.

And to those of us that use it, it's obvious that you never have. Not trying to be dismissive, but I stand by that comment. Ugh, it's painful to read this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4247386 So much ignorant bias. Just try it. You don't know what you're talking about.

I've used ST2 quite a bit. It's a nice editor but I really don't see the point.
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