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How Boston City Hall was born

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Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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I like Boston City Hall.

Compare it to 28 State St, right next to it: https://maps.app.goo.gl/jjHpGGuPkxgjXiPT7

28 State St is kinda ugly, but bland and forgettable.

Boston City Hall is so hideous and frightening that people outside of Boston know about it. Its appearance is a recurring topic in the news. That is impressive.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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> Why can't we build nice things anymore? Well.. first start by defining "beautiful", we're waiting. Also, it's a 50 year old structure.. we stopped building "nice" things after WW2 mostly because costs were astronomical and new materials and engineering opened up all kinds of avenues for more modern construction. I've spent decent amount of time in and around Boston City Hall, the biggest problem with the building a…

> Well.. first start by defining "beautiful", we're waiting. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/No... https://wmf.imgix.net/images/70_hero_image.jpg?auto=format,c... Hundreds of years later, most people from completely disparate cultures find these buildings beautiful.

Yes, those are two buildings people find beautiful. You can find lots more like it if you keep turning the dial all the way to "form" and away from "function".

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Its truly hideous. Old City Hall is beautiful. Why can't we build nice things anymore?

Because architects went from building monuments to God and creation to building monuments to their own narcissism. Notre Dame ( https://www.britannica.com/topic/Notre-Dame-de-Paris ) was meant to be pleasing to God. And by implication, to man, because man was created in the image of God. Boston City Hall wasn't meant to be pleasing to anyone. It's more important to "make a statement" than to make something that is be…

The point of Notre Dame is to be a monument to God. That's not the point of most buildings.

Ironically, the other example of a good building you've provided in this thread, the Taj Mahal, is in fact a monument to narcissism.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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I like Boston City Hall. Compare it to 28 State St, right next to it: https://maps.app.goo.gl/jjHpGGuPkxgjXiPT7 28 State St is kinda ugly, but bland and forgettable. Boston City Hall is so hideous and frightening that people outside of Boston know about it. Its appearance is a recurring topic in the news. That is impressive.

Yeah, if you're going to make it ugly, make it newsworthy ugly. That thing is such an eyesore.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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> It was in this context that the city decided to demolish the neighborhood known as Scollay Square and build in its place what would come to be called Government Center. It’s interesting (and sad) to imagine what Boston could have been like without the damage of urban renewal. These neighborhoods could have easily become the quaint North Ends people love today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_End,_Boston https:…

People who opposed demolishing the neighborhoods would be called NIMBYs today and would be blamed for the housing crisis. I'm not saying this to be snarky, just that there is a real push and pull there that I don't think is appreciated. There are some beautiful old neighborhoods near me which are at risk of being torn down and replaced with multi-unit dwellings. The residents say 'save our neighborhoods' and the acti…

Oh please. Take a look at the pictures of “redevelopment” back then and tell me it mirrors modern practices. We’re talking wholesale bulldozing of entire neighborhoods. Not a block or two, the entire damned thing.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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I always think of the building (and brutalist architecture in general) as absurdist architecture, and I find City Hall to be quite humorous in that light. The general shape lifts up and is trying to appear as if it's floating, in contrast to the material selection. Think of an Elephant ballerina, or Douglas Adams "It hung in the air in exactly the way bricks don't". Another example is the Holman government building a…

City Hall is absurd in both it's appearance outside and the impracticality of the design and interior. Rooms with giant concrete columns that cut off sight lines, rampant maintenance problems from elevating form over function , and the comfort of a supraterrestrial civil defense shelter.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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Its truly hideous. Old City Hall is beautiful. Why can't we build nice things anymore?

> Why can't we build nice things anymore? Well.. first start by defining "beautiful", we're waiting. Also, it's a 50 year old structure.. we stopped building "nice" things after WW2 mostly because costs were astronomical and new materials and engineering opened up all kinds of avenues for more modern construction. I've spent decent amount of time in and around Boston City Hall, the biggest problem with the building a…

The one nice part of the wasteland plaza is that it can hold large outdoor exhibitions in a way that no other space in downtown area can.

Inside the NBA was held live there recently, Boston Calling (the only largish music festival in the area) started there.

There’s obviously no massive outdoor parking lot in downtown Boston, and it would be a shame to have packed crowds trample over the common.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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That particular urban renewal didn't create a lot of new housing. On the other hand, that whole general area of Boston was pretty crappy back in the day. (Not just what's now Government Center but all along Washington Street.) It mostly didn't result in more housing; I'm guessing less. But burying the central artery was almost certainly a lot more positive overall.

According to the West End Museum site, the project created more housing units, but also led to a population decrease, most likely due to the decrease in the number of people living in each unit. This document is a fascinating read: https://archive.org/details/westendprojectre00bost/page/n79/... Comparing what they proposed vs what resulted is very interesting.

Some of parcels in the doc on page 58 (K) in particular are interesting. The city ended up widening the road there pretty significantly. When they built https://maps.app.goo.gl/7yVzp4vm72Js3w618 back in '22, there was just one tower. The original plan had two towers instead of one (https://bpda.app.box.com/s/lsw68tzgu4g788h9dr4zvorlc6ohy0oy). The resulting sub area is only two buildings now, where there were tenements before.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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And at least there's this there now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_slide

Anytime i've brought my kids to that playground since that incident there is always someone either recreating or showing someone that video. The best exposure for a park really.

Re: How Boston City Hall was born

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I always think of the building (and brutalist architecture in general) as absurdist architecture, and I find City Hall to be quite humorous in that light. The general shape lifts up and is trying to appear as if it's floating, in contrast to the material selection. Think of an Elephant ballerina, or Douglas Adams "It hung in the air in exactly the way bricks don't". Another example is the Holman government building a…

Yeah, it's friendly ugly. I'd be happy going to work there everyday.
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