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In Defense of Y'All

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Re: In Defense of Y'All

#51

As an ex new englander I approve of y’all over youse because it’s hard to use “youse” efficiently without saying “youse guys”.

Yep, just "youse" by itself feels like an intentional regional quirk.

"What do youse want to do?" "What do youse guys want to do?" "What do y'all want to do?" <= you're an American or playing one in a movie

Re: In Defense of Y'All

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "you guys" is sexist is it though?

It's not sexist at all, and anyone who objects to it on those grounds is flat out looking for excuses to be offended.

So you're willing to just brush off a large groups complaints with a phrase entirely meant to address groups?

Re: In Defense of Y'All

#56
Y'all is the American informal second-person plural pronoun

Spanish: "ustedes" (formal) and "vosotros" (informal in Spain) or "vos" in some regions

French: "vous" is the standard, but informally there's "vous autres" in Quebec French

Portuguese: "vocês" formally, but "cês" informally in Brazilian Portuguese

German: While "ihr" is standard, some dialects use "ihr alle" or regional variants

Italian: "voi" is standard, but some southern dialects use "vujatri" or similar variants

Greek: "εσείς" (eseis) formally, but informally "εσείς όλοι" (eseis oli)

Russian: "вы" (vy) is standard, but "вы все" (vy vse) is used for emphasis

Arabic: "أنتم" (antum) is standard, with "إنتو" (intu) in dialects

I am most fascinated by Y'alls', a double possessive or possessive plural contraction which is common in Southern American English and AAVE (African American Vernacular English) which would otherwise be constructed more awkwardly in common American English as "all of your" or "your all's."

Re: In Defense of Y'All

#57
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Early Modern English, you is inherently plural; the singular form is thou . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou

thou is the singular intimate. (compare the tu- form, in french). You could be singular or plural, but it was always formal. (compare the vous- form, in french) Knowing this puts a whole new spin on things like the KJV, since as moderns we hear "thou" and think "fancy old timey speech! very formal!" and it is exactly the opposite. Quakers/Friends chose the thou- form as the preferred form to address everyone; this wa…

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Re: In Defense of Y'All

#58
post #11

I tease non-Texans that Texan English is actually superior to normal American English because it supports second-person plural via "Y'all" exactly as mentioned in this article... "you guys" is, to some ears, sexist, and "youse guys" (a New York-ism) is a little too old-school Italian. English lost its second person plural when we switched from Thou (second person singular formal + Thee=second person singular informal…

Old English had dual pronouns too: https://oldenglish.info/pro3.html

Re: In Defense of Y'All

#60
post #10

Canadian here using y'all every day. Might as well make it the formal English plural.

Australian: I've used it in every social context at least once by now and I'd say it's distinctly stayed in the rotation.
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