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Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:39 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #30

The price feels outrageous, but I think the unsaid truth of this is that they think o1 is good enough to replace employees. For example, if it's really as good at coding as they say, I could see this being a point where some people decide that a team of 5 devs with o1 pro can do the work of 6 or 7 devs without o1 pro.

That'll work out nicely when you have 5 people learning nothing and just asking GPT to do everything and then you have a big terrible codebase that GPT can't effectively operate on, and a team that doesn't know how to do anything.

Bullish

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by lenerdenator » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:40 PM UTC

Thing better find a way to make my hair grow back at that price.

Of course, I'm not the target market.

Some guy who wants to increase his bonus by laying off a few hundred people weeks before the holidays is the target market.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by greenthrow » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:40 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #30

The price feels outrageous, but I think the unsaid truth of this is that they think o1 is good enough to replace employees. For example, if it's really as good at coding as they say, I could see this being a point where some people decide that a team of 5 devs with o1 pro can do the work of 6 or 7 devs without o1 pro.

It is not good enough to replace workers of a skill level I would hire. But that won't stop people doing it.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by Oras » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:40 PM UTC

afro88 wrote: post #22

Details of o1 Pro Mode here: https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-pro/

It does not say anything about real use cases. It performs better and "reason" better than o1-preview and o1. But I was expecting some real-life scenarios when it would be useful in a way no other model can do now.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by jerkstate » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:40 PM UTC

if o1 pro mode could integrate with web searching to do research, make purchases, and write and push code, this would be totally worth it. but that version will be $2000/mo.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by daft_pink » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:41 PM UTC

I think it’s easier to just pay for the api directly. That’s what I do with ChatGPT and o1 even though I’m a plus subscriber.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by crindy » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:41 PM UTC

amazingamazing wrote: post #17

Let’s see if those folks saying they’ve doubled their productivity will pay.

Seems like I'm one of very few excited by this announcement. I will totally pay for this - the o1-preview limits really hamper me.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by jpcom » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:41 PM UTC

$20 a month is reasonable because a computer can do in an hour what a human can do in a month. Multiplying that by ten would suggest that the world is mostly made of Python and that the solution space for those programs has been "solved." GPT is still not good at writing Clojure and paying 10x more would not solve this problem for me.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by lenerdenator » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:42 PM UTC

kilroy123 wrote: post #14

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

Don't you worry; the "rich West" will have plenty of disenfranchised people out of work because of this sort of thing.

Now, whether the labor provided by the AI will be as high-quality as that provided by a human when placed in an actual business environment will be up in the air. Probably not, but adoption will be pushed by the sunk cost fallacy.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by hnthrowaway6543 » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 6:42 PM UTC

vundercind wrote: post #50

kilroy123 wrote: post #14

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

I’m watching some of this happening first and second hand, and have seen a lot of evidence of companies spending a ton of money on these, spinning up departments, buying companies, pivoting their entire company’s strategy to AI, et c, and zero of its meaningfully replacing employees. It takes very skilled people to use LLMs well, and the companies trying to turn 5 positions into 2 aren’t paying enough to reliably get…

> and the companies trying to turn 5 positions into 2 aren’t paying enough to reliably get and keep two people who are good at it.

it's turning 5 positions into 7: 5 people to do what currently needs to get done, 2 to try to replace those 5 with AI and failing for several years.