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Ask HN: Did Google/Alphabet ever try to build a Starlink?

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Re: Ask HN: Did Google/Alphabet ever try to build a Starlink?

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Rockets are just really expensive. It's hard to get stuff into orbit cheaply, and even now I wouldn't be surprised if Starlink is a net-loss product for SpaceX still. Google's business strategy for the longest time has revolved around selling software services. AdSense, YouTube, Google Drive - all of these are services they can scale up by turning a knob and waiting for servers to spin up. Rocket science is a whole d…

Starlink is reportedly returning a profit now.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/ars-live-caleb-henry-j...

Re: Ask HN: Did Google/Alphabet ever try to build a Starlink?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

disagree. it’s only recently that google dropped X and moonshots. loon and the wing thing come to mind. sure, now, google isn’t very futurist (look how they botched AI execution), but in the time that starlink was developed, google was very much still futurist. > speed was unheard of. lol. only in the usa. > At the time most ISPs wanted to have bandwidth caps and rate limits because they were afraid of people abusing…

Considering that I've worked at ISPs since the early '90s when they were dial-ups and watched them grow up into something more, Yes I would say that I've analyzed. You offer no evidence of any futurist thing that Google has done. At least nothing to the scale of what Elon Musk has done. Everything Google is done has been a calculated safe risk taking a small step forward in technology that was safe. It was absolutely…

I've worked at ISPs (on and off) since mid-90s, including starting one from scratch (ISDN and T1 bank) and building out a national colo/hosting offering for a mega telco you've heard of. I also worked at Google, not in Google Fiber but I worked with that org deeply during the post-POC (ie post-Nigeria) initial and then subsequent locations. So I reject your appeal to authority both as a matter of principle (logical fallacy) and personal experience.

I don't need to offer evidence, it is visible if you merely look for it. X (not twitter, google X) was a big money loser because it was too futurist, and Ruth killed it. Google took very large risks back then. They weren't even risks, they were known to have limited or no commerical value and they were experimenting with simply what might be possible. Not completely in a Bell Labs sense, but not all that far from it.

I mean even Waymo should be clear evidence.

I didn't mention Chrome, or "even Chrome", so not sure why you mention that. Chrome was not futurist. It was less about other browsers' sucking, and more about controlling HTML so that MSFT wouldn't, because MSFT was too narrow-minded. Google didn't have a desktop OS (even now, ChromeOS isn't viable outside of niche use cases) so they were highly depending on the browser functioning in a way they could asset control over it. At that time it was definitely not about tracking people. They just lost their way.

I thought you were just off base before, but here you are just plain wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Did Google/Alphabet ever try to build a Starlink?

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No. They could not even get fiber rolled out to the US. They started well but it requires immense power in local and federal level that takes decades (yes, decades) to accommodate. Starlink would have then their focus out of search and AI which they clearly understand better and dominate. Also, there is nothing innovative from Musk itself as far as starlink goes. More than half of research and implementation is funde…

> More than half of research and implementation is funded by USG and Tax Payer funded rebates and concessions. Absolutely not. SpaceX/Starlink didn't receive any money from the government. They tried to get a 800 million dollar subsidy, but it was revoked. Even then Starlink has cost a lot more than that to design, deploy and operate.

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Re: Ask HN: Did Google/Alphabet ever try to build a Starlink?

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Yes, they essentially did. Project Loon used balloons rather than satellites, but is otherwise surprisingly similar to Starlink, technically. And as far as I've heard, a lot of Project Loon personnel ended up at SpaceX. Also, the synergy may be a good part of the reason why Google was a large early investor in SpaceX. https://x.company/projects/loon/

Loon balloons were more like floating cell towers. Starlink is a broadband first platform that will also do some cellular sort of eventually (just beginning to roll out now).

Do the implementation details really matter that much?

It's all some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_platform_station ,

limited by the constraints of available technology and budget for experiments at that time.

And not that pioneering (conceptually at least) either, because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledesic from 199x...

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