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Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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A company like Google should not be allowed to run a company like YouTube. They should be separate entities.

I suspect that on both sides of the ocean there's parties clamouring for breaking up Google; Youtube as its own company would make sense, but that's assuming it's financially and technologically healthy enough on its own.

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You start by not banning people for nothing.

Except for that you risk breaking laws in several jurisdictions if you don't. And you can't fall back to "manual" enforcement think of the massive capital of human resources you'd have to invest in to make it keep up with the upload rate of YouTube.

Except for that you risk breaking laws in several jurisdictions if you don't.

Why isn't the market addressing this? Why doesn't someone start a video service in the US and for the US -- one that follows US law, and not Pakistan's or Iran's or India's or Germany's or anyone else's?

Oh, right, because then they can't sell ads in those places, or use them as tax shelters. Silly question, I guess.

By forcing compliance with oppressive regimes (and with pearl-clutching sponsors in less-oppressive ones), advertising will eventually end everything good about the Internet. If you work in that business, you're the problem. Consider a different career.

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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Disclaimer: Former Technical Solutions Engineer for GCP, aka Support for Customers. Also Former Engineer on YouTube Caching. To get it out of the way, I do not agree that it should've taken a journalist to get involved to have this situation solved. However, I'd like to prompt Hacker News with how would you handle receiving support requests from a product that has >2.7B users. Almost all of which are non-directly rev…

Less than 2.7bn:1 user:staff ratio.

Do you have any other impossible conundrums I can clear up before coffee?

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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Are you saying that we should kick all the poor people off of Youtube?

I'm saying if you provide a service you can't support, stop and make room for someone else to try. Of course they'd rather provide abusive service to hold on to user-share. That's a choice they're making and I'm saying that's a bad choice, socially speaking. Good business choice, I'm sure.

> stop and make room for someone else to try.

In other words, kick everybody off of Youtube.

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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I asked for a very specific thing, not 'regulations that impact youtube'. The fact that you're telling me about your little search engine adventure without actually sharing a single link/specific regulation, says a lot.

> these regulatory restrictions which supposedly force this kind of behavior from Google

The above was your first post...

> I asked for a very specific thing, not 'regulations that impact youtube'.

My apologies then for misunderstanding, that's how I interpreted your initial request. Can you explain the difference then?

I suggested a path for you to educate yourself, again pointing out that resources are available to you so you can learn things for yourself without demanding them from others.

Anyways, based on this latest comment and your other comments in this thread, you really come across as looking to pick a fight.. You're very confrontational.

Perhaps something to reflect on..

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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If you're not willing to engage in discussion, why are you here?

We are engaging in discussion.. I don't know that OP's comment, with their snarky confrontational tone and demands, is what I would call "discussion"..

I guess I expect a level of civility in my discussions.

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> don't provide services you can't support. Also playing devil's advocate here: Define "support". I'm sure Google will tell you that they support their billions of users just fine, relatively speaking, and that the percentage of people who fall through the cracks is an acceptable margin (to them, obviously not to the users themselves). To your point about "not providing the service", do you believe that the trade-off…

I don't think the vacuum left by Google exiting free video hosting would last long. There are lots of potential solutions to the problem, that aren't all very-expensive centralized services, but YouTube existing takes up all the oxygen in the room.

Wouldn't a new player in the space run into the same challenges though? I don't think this is a Google-specific problem (although they are particularly bad at it).

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying if you provide a service you can't support, stop and make room for someone else to try. Of course they'd rather provide abusive service to hold on to user-share. That's a choice they're making and I'm saying that's a bad choice, socially speaking. Good business choice, I'm sure.

> stop and make room for someone else to try. In other words, kick everybody off of Youtube.

If Google'd rather do that than not harm users with no human recourse unless you get the media involved, yes, that would be a more ethical choice than what they're doing now. They could also just stop being bad at the role they've elected to take on, in the first place.

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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I don't think the vacuum left by Google exiting free video hosting would last long. There are lots of potential solutions to the problem, that aren't all very-expensive centralized services, but YouTube existing takes up all the oxygen in the room.

Wouldn't a new player in the space run into the same challenges though? I don't think this is a Google-specific problem (although they are particularly bad at it).

Their moderation challenge is one of centralization and insistence on taking control of promoting videos. Nobody needs to, or does, police my email to make sure I haven't subscribed to any naughty newsletters. (you know, aside from five-eyes programs or whatever—but businesses don't). [EDIT] To pre-empt an obvious objection, yes, spam filtering exists and Google and others will absolutely sometimes blackhole email, but I can tune that personally, and I can use other email services and still get the exact same emails—my point is that it's not impossible for relatively unmoderated content distribution to exist on the Internet—what's impossible is Google doing it the way they've decided to without spending more money than they are, or without screwing over and silencing people for bad reasons far too often.

Their problems (not the problems of distributing video, but the problems of doing so as a centralized platform beholden to advertisers that also engages in automated promotion of videos) are a choice they made.

Re: 93-year-old YouTuber back in business after being kicked off platform

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Disclaimer: Former Technical Solutions Engineer for GCP, aka Support for Customers. Also Former Engineer on YouTube Caching. To get it out of the way, I do not agree that it should've taken a journalist to get involved to have this situation solved. However, I'd like to prompt Hacker News with how would you handle receiving support requests from a product that has >2.7B users. Almost all of which are non-directly rev…

Is there any reason that governments should allow that business model to exist? Why can't the government require a reasonable level of support, and if that restricts how big a service can get then that is just fine.
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