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DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Regardless of its fame, it is a worthy tool on UNIX environments, even nowadays.

It's an absolute technical liability to build anything new in Perl these days.

Or not.

I could assert the same about C since Morris Worm, and here we are.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…

I miss Craigslist, seems like everyone moved over to Facebook Marketplace a few years ago.

I still use craigslist and haven't actually done anything with facebook marketplace yet. That makes me want to delete my facebook account (something I've been considering anyway) just to nip that possibility in the bud.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.

My sense is that perl deployment is declining as it's replaced with better tools. What infrastructure is perl running?

I started playing with Ubuntu in 2006. Exploring the system, I'd come across system scripts in perl here and there, but Lennart Poettering has gradually displaced these with unit files that are much easier to read.

These days I may invoke perl occasionally. A few years back I used checkconfig.pl to build a slimmed-down kernel config for an embedded board. I expect it will eventually be phased out of these peripheral utilities.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…

Gifts don’t require repayment. Releasing free software is a gift to the world. Corporations don’t owe free software maintainers a cent, because people using your software doesn’t cost you anything.

Open source is a gift within a gift economy. The software may be freely used but the labor needs to come from somewhere, and donations of either direct labor or compensation help ensure that the overall gift economy can continue to function.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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post #39
post #21

Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…

Gifts don’t require repayment. Releasing free software is a gift to the world. Corporations don’t owe free software maintainers a cent, because people using your software doesn’t cost you anything.

Do they owe anything today, in the sense of a legal obligation? No.

But we've regulated the tragedy of the commons in all sorts of other instances. There's no reason, for example, that a small percentage of corporate income tax couldn't be allocated to a grant program for free and open source software projects.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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post #21

Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…

Gifts don’t require repayment. Releasing free software is a gift to the world. Corporations don’t owe free software maintainers a cent, because people using your software doesn’t cost you anything.

> because people using your software doesn’t cost you anything.

Tell me you've never been an open source maintainer without telling me you've never been an open source maintainer. :)

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss Craigslist, seems like everyone moved over to Facebook Marketplace a few years ago.

I still use craigslist and haven't actually done anything with facebook marketplace yet. That makes me want to delete my facebook account (something I've been considering anyway) just to nip that possibility in the bud.

If you’re trying to sell something, you need to be where the customers are. If they’re on Marketplace, that’s where you go. You can easily list in both places.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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post #6

A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.

Here's some details about the foundation's financials - https://blogs.perl.org/users/makoto_nozaki/2024/10/understan...

I don't understand why grant expenses surged in 2023 if revenue was going down.

I wish the Perl foundation good luck.

Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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I'm surprised to learn that Perl is still used. Obviously there will always be legacy code to maintain but these days I can't even remember the last time Perl was mentioned in casual conversation amongst my peers unless we're sharing war stories from the 90s. These days when we find ourselves needing to write a script our first go-to would be bash, and if we need more features or if it's going to be complex enough to…

Most of my coworkers above age 45 still use Perl. I am constantly parsing reports and then generating commands to run from that. I learned Perl in the 90's and it still works great for that. I have to code in Tcl for most of our EDA tools (chip design) but I still parse reports in Perl. The younger engineers use Python and I've learned enough but I really don't care. I'm not writing big systems or anything in Perl or…

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Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation

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I always forget that DDG is written with Perl, even after I emailed yegg a million years ago asking why they used Perl, and he responded back, which was nice of him. I hear Raku is fun, I haven't used it, but I sort of swore a soft oath that I would never touch Perl again about a decade ago after having to debug some regex magic someone did. I'm assuming that once you get past the "hump", Perl becomes fun?

Regex and is a separate language used by many tools, Perl just made it nicely integrated into the language, and also made some nice enhancements. Don’t blame issues with regex on Perl.
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