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Advent of Code 2024
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Re: Advent of Code 2024
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI coding assistants ruined the global leaderboard experience. AoC might as well nerf it by discarding the quickest x percent of submissions, or something...
They should check that LLMs can't solve the problems in 9 seconds and come up with appropriate problems. Or just allow AI assistants, they are now as much part of the programmer's toolkit as syntax highlighting or autocomplete or Stack Overflow, and pretending otherwise is not useful.
And then allow aimbots for counterstrike, stockfish at chess tournaments and Epo on the tour de France.
The leader board is intended for people to compete against each other, one could make a separate leaderboard for LLM, kind of similar to the chess AI leaderboards.
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point, it just shows that Advent of Code is completely worthless given the ease and accessibility of AI-assisted tools to solve these problems. RIP Advent of Code.
Why? Solving interesting problems to learn is a worthwhile goal. Why should it matter to you that others are "cheating"?
Because competing against other people is the fun part for some people. Why not allow everyone to use stockfish at chess tournaments?
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#54I love AoC. I made a CLI client in python for me (and a lib for common tasks, especially the 2d grid maps).
Repo: https://github.com/ArcHound/advent_of_code Writeup: https://blog.miloslavhomer.cz/p/advent-of-code-cli-client-an...
Good luck to y'all in 2024 and enjoy!
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
They should check that LLMs can't solve the problems in 9 seconds and come up with appropriate problems. Or just allow AI assistants, they are now as much part of the programmer's toolkit as syntax highlighting or autocomplete or Stack Overflow, and pretending otherwise is not useful.
And then allow aimbots for counterstrike, stockfish at chess tournaments and Epo on the tour de France. The leader board is intended for people to compete against each other, one could make a separate leaderboard for LLM, kind of similar to the chess AI leaderboards.
> allow aimbots for counterstrike
I'm not played counterstrike in over a decade, so you got me wondering - are there matches where everyone uses aimbots? What does the game look like then? I suppose there's a new mix of strategies evolving, with a higher focus on the macro movement planning?
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
They should check that LLMs can't solve the problems in 9 seconds and come up with appropriate problems. Or just allow AI assistants, they are now as much part of the programmer's toolkit as syntax highlighting or autocomplete or Stack Overflow, and pretending otherwise is not useful.
And then allow aimbots for counterstrike, stockfish at chess tournaments and Epo on the tour de France. The leader board is intended for people to compete against each other, one could make a separate leaderboard for LLM, kind of similar to the chess AI leaderboards.
False equivalence. The sole reason for counterstrike and chess to exist is competition. Programming is about solving a problem. If you want to turn programming into a competition you shouldn't take away tools from the programmer.
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#579 seconds to get both stars is absolutely insane - there had to be some AI assistance here. Come to think of it, a pipeline that feeds the problem text into an LLM to generate a solution and automatically runs it on the input and attempts to submit the solution, doing this N times in parallel, could certainly solve the first few days' problem in 9 seconds.
Without condoning cheating, I am impressed with the automation aspect of it. 9 seconds sounds more or less like the inference time of the LLM, so this must have been automated. Login at midnight + lots of C&P may not have done it.
Perhaps there is a scope for an alternative AoC type competition aimed at AI submissions...
...though of course that would be experimenting to get us all out of work. Hmm.
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
And then allow aimbots for counterstrike, stockfish at chess tournaments and Epo on the tour de France. The leader board is intended for people to compete against each other, one could make a separate leaderboard for LLM, kind of similar to the chess AI leaderboards.
False equivalence. The sole reason for counterstrike and chess to exist is competition. Programming is about solving a problem. If you want to turn programming into a competition you shouldn't take away tools from the programmer.
You’re saying programming isn’t not equivalent to chess here because programming isn’t a competition, but the Advent of Code leaderboard very much is a competition.
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#59It feels like AI will shape a lot of the submissions for these types of coding “traditions”. But, I guess that’s just the world we live in.
All the people I know already participate on private boards. AI enshitification will only speed up the process of moving there.
Are we using enshittification for everything we don't like these days? We invented calculators, those really enshittified manual arithmetic puzzles.
Private boards for this stuff makes sense anyway, it's the Internet afterall.
Re: Advent of Code 2024
#609 seconds to get both stars is absolutely insane - there had to be some AI assistance here. Come to think of it, a pipeline that feeds the problem text into an LLM to generate a solution and automatically runs it on the input and attempts to submit the solution, doing this N times in parallel, could certainly solve the first few days' problem in 9 seconds.
Without condoning cheating, I am impressed with the automation aspect of it. 9 seconds sounds more or less like the inference time of the LLM, so this must have been automated. Login at midnight + lots of C&P may not have done it. Perhaps there is a scope for an alternative AoC type competition aimed at AI submissions... ...though of course that would be experimenting to get us all out of work. Hmm.
If real life problems were as easy and defined as AoC problems we might be able to be replaced at some point. I highly doubt you can replace software devs otherwise. Who else is going to take the blame for software issues?