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An update on Google's compliance with the DMA

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Re: An update on Google's compliance with the DMA

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Post by jjulius »

summerlight wrote: post #49
jjulius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the user is determined, they'll press on and discover it, as I and others have. If they're not, then they won't. Perhaps a drop in discovery/engagement suggests that using that feature wasn't as vital as others thought it was?

I'm not interested in subjective arguments but one clear thing is that there is a significant number of people who don't have a good sense of discovering tech features.

I can respect that. I guess I'm just not sure how to have a discussion around discovery/engagement without also understanding why someone would or wouldn't be interested in discovering more, but hey... that's why I'm not in that part of the industry.

Edit: And perhaps this is more of my ignorance speaking, but failing to understand subjective interests feels emblematic of a broader issue around people being addicted to algorithmically-generated content, or being glued to their phones. There's less interest in understanding what someone actually wants to "discover" and "engage with" and more interest in just ensuring we keep them engaged regardless. That feels... ick? But again, this is ignorance on my part, so perhaps that sentiment is misplaced.

Re: An update on Google's compliance with the DMA

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Post by freehorse »

walkingthisquai wrote: post #15

I know everyone loves hating on Google here, but some of the changes that they were required to make are genuinely quite annoying. Maps results on the search page don't work like they used to. Clicking the mini-map doesn't open to Google Maps anymore, so you have to relearn some behaviours. I know it's minor stuff (for now), but as a long time happy user of Maps, this kind of thing does not benefit me, and I don't ge…

Using maps from google's search always requires 1 more click. Why not go to maps.google.com directly? Are you also googling "gmail" to go to gmail?

Re: An update on Google's compliance with the DMA

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Post by whatio »

pyrale wrote: post #22
whatio wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A petulant child does not explain the negative consequences of what he is being asked to do using metrics and specific stakeholder feedback. It does not help consumers to have outside parties run roughshod over businesses. Regulations are necessary, but to be effective, they must be measured, in both senses of the word. To be implemented carefully, they must be subject to criticism, even by the party being regulated.…

> but to be effective, they must be measured Google can't really be trusted to provide measurements proving that they should be regulated, though. If they want the problem to be fairly studied, they're free to publish their datasets.

Google is not attempting to prove that they should be regulated, they are attempting to prove the that regulation the EU is imposing is not having the effect that EU claims it has. Whether they can be trusted or not will be up to the court in the EU whenever they present evidence.

Re: An update on Google's compliance with the DMA

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Post by therealmarv »

dylan604 wrote: post #39
therealmarv wrote: post #23

Too late too slow. Google in European Union feels already today like a different website in comparison to Google USA where there is an AI answering (which is totally not enabled in Europe). Meanwhile the crowds slowly adopting asking ChatGPT & Co about hotel recommendations and ChatGPT delivers. And in Europe I need to open maps.google.com to search for places because a direct link from google.com is not allowed. It'…

Interesting. Is that something they do with geofencing or by TLD? If I go to google.eu, I get redirected to google.co.uk. After Brexit, is this by design on theGoog's part to not have to abide by EU laws? Do I need a VPN so my IP appears to actually be from within the EU? I'm really curious to see differences in how theGoog behaves.

just use a VPN. The main difference is that Gemini is sprinkled into Google in the US and in Europe it's the old Google (without Gemini)
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