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Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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He does get shit done. Sometimes it's good shit, other times it's just shit. That cost-cutting approach worked with turning Tesla from the butt of (quite reasonable at the time) jokes about "Death Watch" because they kept needing more and more investment money, into the success they are today. It utterly failed with Twitter, which has lost most of its revenue and is constantly running into legal issues.

I don't see the failure in Twitter. It's a platform capable of influencing elections, that's definitely worth more than people think. It lost revenue since advertisers don't like the platform's freedom of speech, and Elon won't give them control of what's allowed on the platform. Advertisers want control, they don't want free speech. Why do you think You tube removed the downvote counter? Advertisers pay not just to…

Yes advertisers want control, wouldn't you? But it has nothing to do with "free speech". Try "good speech". Elon reduced the amount of subjective "good speech" and increased "bad speech". Advertisers have the freedom to do what they want. Elon, on the other hand, has absolute control of the words on his platform.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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I don't see the failure in Twitter. It's a platform capable of influencing elections, that's definitely worth more than people think. It lost revenue since advertisers don't like the platform's freedom of speech, and Elon won't give them control of what's allowed on the platform. Advertisers want control, they don't want free speech. Why do you think You tube removed the downvote counter? Advertisers pay not just to…

Yes advertisers want control, wouldn't you? But it has nothing to do with "free speech". Try "good speech". Elon reduced the amount of subjective "good speech" and increased "bad speech". Advertisers have the freedom to do what they want. Elon, on the other hand, has absolute control of the words on his platform.

>Yes advertisers want control, wouldn't you?

If they would have control, people would stop going to Twitter and it would die. Similar fate to the TV mainstream media where they only parrot the opinions of their money overlords, and people are tired of that. That's why they go on to Twitter instead, to look for comments conforming to their own world views rather than what some trillion dollar corporations and out of touch celebrities tell them. Same thing that makes Joe Rogan popular.

>Elon reduced the amount of subjective "good speech" and increased "bad speech".

What is "good speech" and what is "bad speech" for you? Let me guess, "good speech" is the opinions you agree with and "bad speech" is the opinions you disagree with?

Elon didn't reduce or increase anything. He just disable the "nanny" moderations, so now on Twitter you're seeing exactly what the people really think (probably what you consider "bad speech"), instead of what advertisers and the mainstream media would like them to think (probably what you consider "good speech").

That's why people come to Twitter, because it's one the few places left with relatively unmoderated free speech. It's what makes it valuable.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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> The most mechanical innovation we saw was a new type of brake for EVs. Although Mercedes says that EVs typically use regenerative braking for 98 percent of their decelerations, they still need friction brakes for that last 2 percent—which tend to be critical needs. The reason is simple: typical EV regen can provide a maximum of 290 kW of braking power, while a maximum 1G plus stop might require 2200 kW.

>But because these friction brakes are not used much, their rotors tend to rust, leading to noise during application, as well as degraded appearance. And they still produce brake dust.

>To solve these problems, Mercedes is developing what it calls In-Drive Brakes. The idea is to move the brakes from the wheels to inside the electric drive motor at either end, where the half-shafts emerge. The prototype is shown on the rear axle, but the concept could work at both ends.

>The brake would not be a conventional disc brake but rather something that looks like the clutch in a manual transmission. There would be a disc that spun with the half-shaft connected to each wheel. This disc would have friction material on most of each side near the periphery and with something that looked like a non-rotating flywheel on each side. An annular hydraulic cylinder would press the assembly together causing the rotating friction disc to drag on the two fixed plates to slow the car.

> Since this assembly would be fully enclosed in a housing at each end of the motor housing, the two fixed plates would have liquid cooling passages to remove the heat generated by the braking. A small sump at the base of each brake housing would serve to collect the brake dust generated. mercedes benz innovations future technologies 2024, in drive brake Mercedes-Benz

> The goal would be for these brakes to last for the life of the car. Being enclosed, they would be quiet. And being inboard, they would leave the wheels clean, reduce unsprung weight, and allow greater freedom for wheel designers, who would no longer have to worry about getting cooling air into the brakes.

This is NOT an innovation. The initial mentioned problem of brake discs possibly rusting because they are rarely used can be easily address by the car computer periodically using the disc brakes rather than regenerative brakes if those haven't been used recently. Applying the disc brakes a few times every couple of days should not impact the range measurably.

They are making an easily reparable wear item such as brakes, almost cost prohibitive (labor costs) to replace by putting it inside depths of the electric drive unit. You now have to disable and disconnect high voltage battery , pullout the electric motor (usually include the motor, differential gear units, inverters in the same unit so it is similar to pulling out an engine in a ICE car), then take apart that engine, replace the friction clutches used for breaking, and then reverse the whole process to put it all back together.

The only thing this is designed to do is to sell more cars every x years by making cars harder to repair. The funny sad thing is; this is clear anti-consumer activity ironically developed with consumers (tax payers) money using tax write-off for R&D.

This type of thing is also why electric cars have a bad reputation at the moment. They depreciate so fast because the the greedy companies design them to make it impossible to repair economically, and insurance companies write them off after the tiniest accident/issue.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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OK WTF ist most of this? How about not targeting the upper market during inflation? > If I had had this tool when ordering my Porsche 911 a few years ago, I probably would have made a different color choice. Why not focus on what normal people want, like affordable reliable cars, instead of luxury cars with a dozen computers and screens in it where you need to get something fixed twice a year. Look at fucking Volkswa…

Volkswagen has low-cost brands like Seat, which so quite well. I think they are included in the revenue. If Habeck implements a belated and voluntary Morgenthau plan by de-industrializing Germany, applauding the destruction of its energy infrastructure and by being basically only concerned about increasing Rheinmetall's profits, the German economy will and does collapse. Habeck runs a tight censorship regime as well:…

Nuclear exit was decided by the previous government; if anything the green party accelerated adoption of solar at least, thanks to the Russian invasion and exploding natural gas prices.

The problem is that the other major parties are even worse. At least Habeck has something going compared to the other candidates regarding the next election.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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The cynic in me is already asking: where are the flying cars? They were at the top in F1 until 2021.

>They were at the top in F1 until 2021. Mercedes F1 team has nothing to do with Mercedes car company other than sharing the same name. Different factories, different management, different workers, different technologies. It's a marketing exercise designed to sell more road cars ("Win on Sunday, sell on Monday"), that shares nothing with the road cars division. They can very well sell the F1 team if they deiced it's n…

... which is valid for many if not most F1 contenders, ever saw some F1 tech at latest Renault?

OK, Ferrari for example may take some cues from F1 for their hypercars, but how much is just PR statements and how much actual reality we'll never know.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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post #39

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Thing about flying cars is that you can either have a good car or a good aircraft. Having both combined is worse at both and more expensive at both. Not to mention the headache of dealing with the FAA and whoever does vehicles to get it air and road worthy. In any case, we have helicopters which embodies the spirit of a flying car

Either you have light air raft, with everything involved in that. Or a drone with weight of at least a few hundred kilograms... Later of which I would not like too near me. I would even be slightly wary of kilograms of drone, not to talk about tens. Light aircraft are somewhat efficient, but helicopters point out well the likely efficiency issues with flying cars. We are not getting magic anti-gravity anytime soon...…

There are a lot of companies going after the big people-carrying drone concept. Some try to brand them as flying cars, but really they are cheaper helicopter alternatives. Which is useful but will hardly be ubiquitous, except maybe for rural ambulances and such.

Jetpacks on the other hand might finally be getting out of the "possible but not useful" state, moving quickly towards "useful in some niches" and maybe further on from there.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does get shit done. Sometimes it's good shit, other times it's just shit. That cost-cutting approach worked with turning Tesla from the butt of (quite reasonable at the time) jokes about "Death Watch" because they kept needing more and more investment money, into the success they are today. It utterly failed with Twitter, which has lost most of its revenue and is constantly running into legal issues.

By your own statement, people said the same things about Tesla in the past which they do about Twitter today. That alone should be pretty strong evidence that it's too soon to tell if his approach with Twitter has failed. Maybe it will fail, maybe not, but either way I think it's too soon to call.

It's not comparable, and it is certainly not too early to make that judgement about Twitter. I can say that confidently as a longtime read-only user of the platform who has largely been driven off by the incessant bots, boosted bluecheck replies and rampant racism and other toxic content. You can also make this same judgement based on the fact that advertisers and users alike are fleeing the platform.

Re: Mercedes spends $8bn/year on R&D

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OK WTF ist most of this? How about not targeting the upper market during inflation? > If I had had this tool when ordering my Porsche 911 a few years ago, I probably would have made a different color choice. Why not focus on what normal people want, like affordable reliable cars, instead of luxury cars with a dozen computers and screens in it where you need to get something fixed twice a year. Look at fucking Volkswa…

I don't know why the parent post is being down voted. I think it makes a solid argument about creating a car that normal people can afford.

That is exactly what Chinese car companies is doing. Here's a video by Caresoft of the BYD Seagull which s apparently sub $12k. (Caresoft AFAIK do professional level car teardown reports for the auto industry) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg&t=2s

I'd love to buy something like that at that price point.

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