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Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I was a bit direct but I don't fully understand the down vote. I was not implying that the README was bad and it does have corrections that would improve it. My reason for not raising a PR is some repo owners don't care and I really didn't want to go through the effort unless they actually care.

The downvotes were probably because the comment felt like an ad for your tool

This, and nobody asked, and it was irrelevant to the comment thread.

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#52
post #22

Garak is a former spook that served an explicitly genocidal fascist regime and repeatedly tries to get back in and moonlights as a terrorist and starts a war. It's a borderline insane branding of this corporate tool. Words and stories apparently mean nothing to these people, so if allowed they'll probably destroy the lot of it for all of us.

I’m under the impression he’s just a simple tailor. Dr Bashir has lunch with him almost daily so he can’t be that bad right?

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#53
post #22

Garak is a former spook that served an explicitly genocidal fascist regime and repeatedly tries to get back in and moonlights as a terrorist and starts a war. It's a borderline insane branding of this corporate tool. Words and stories apparently mean nothing to these people, so if allowed they'll probably destroy the lot of it for all of us.

I am sure the bajorans among us are appalled

The dislike towards the cardassians isn't a bajoran only thing.

Garak is an interesting and beloved character in the series because he is complex, problematic and express it with a convincing sophistication. The gay innuendos help too. He does nasty, deceitful things. He starts a war because it's too grim and disgusting for his close neighbours to go through with it, and it's expected to possibly help fend off a godlike existential threat to the entire quarter of the galaxy.

He's a monster in a suit, a Franz Stangl. I think it's a very, very weird character to associate a corporation with.

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#54
post #15
post #11

Ah, this is an ((LLM vulnerability) scanner) not (LLM (vulnerability scanner)) which I thought would be a terrible idea and couldn't understand why everyone was joking about the lies. I also am not a Trekkie, so I had to look up all the tailor references but the character's philosophy makes sense for the name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elim_Garak#:~:text=the%20truth...

Check the last entry in the FAQ source

Ah, ok, good catch! Makes sense to hide the FAQ entry explaining the origin of the name, seeing that the DS9 Garak character was also "undercover".

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#55
post #22

Garak is a former spook that served an explicitly genocidal fascist regime and repeatedly tries to get back in and moonlights as a terrorist and starts a war. It's a borderline insane branding of this corporate tool. Words and stories apparently mean nothing to these people, so if allowed they'll probably destroy the lot of it for all of us.

I’m under the impression he’s just a simple tailor. Dr Bashir has lunch with him almost daily so he can’t be that bad right?

He put Odo under torture. It took his despise for Dukat and Tain dying for him to develop an affiliation with the Federation.

It's what makes him interesting. If he was only comic relief lunching with the doctor he'd be mostly forgotten by now.

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#56

Okay, big DS9 fan happy to see the name and all - but this tool seems really unnecessary. LLM Security is hilariously "here be dragons" levels of poorly understood. The fact that this tool doesn't even touch any of the really juicy types of attacks, i.e. attacks relying on structured/controlled generation, or attention/representation/adapter engineering, or exposing/manipulating logprobs, implies that using this is n…

I'd imagine there is a big difference between ML-based heuristic detection for traditional AV and testing for malicious prompts, no? Like, why can't BofA kill Paypal difference.

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#57
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Avast, Kaspersky and so on sell trojans that compete against other, free, as in gratis, trojans in userspace. They have next to no interest in security as such beyond that scope.

Can you show data about Avast being comparable to a trojan? Disclosure, worked there 15 years ago.

Sophos was the latest scandal. Though, it's unclear to me to which degree their antivirus tools helped to install the malware. Maybe it was just the target selection from telemetry data. Maybe they used it to deploy the "kernel implant"?

https://www.heise.de/en/opinion/Analysis-and-opinion-Sophos-...

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#59
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/22/24080135/avast-security-p... I think you can find more stuff like this through your own digging.

Not what I'd consider a trojan, but I agree that it's bad - so alright, point taken. (In my dictionary, trojan allows remote control. Maybe I'm just old.)

I don't remember remote control being part of the Trojan Horse saga.

Re: Garak, LLM Vulnerability Scanner

#60
post #22

Garak is a former spook that served an explicitly genocidal fascist regime and repeatedly tries to get back in and moonlights as a terrorist and starts a war. It's a borderline insane branding of this corporate tool. Words and stories apparently mean nothing to these people, so if allowed they'll probably destroy the lot of it for all of us.

Garak served unofficially as DS9s counter espionage officer.
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