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Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by lysace »

vbezhenar wrote: post #28

Is CNCF new Apache foundation? Looks like everyone dumps their stuff there. Does not look promising. Am I missing something? Probably RedHat paid salary to podman developers, but who will pay salary to them now?

In the same way as how the Kubernetes ecosystem is the new Enterprise Java ecosystem? Often even from the same companies as back in the late 90s/00s.

Look: I'm probably ignorant, but from the outside the similarities seem striking.

Please explain why I'm wrong. I'm humble on this one.

Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by nonameiguess »

vbezhenar wrote: post #28

Is CNCF new Apache foundation? Looks like everyone dumps their stuff there. Does not look promising. Am I missing something? Probably RedHat paid salary to podman developers, but who will pay salary to them now?

I'm not sure why you think that. Plenty of CNCF projects, if not all of them, are still developed by the same corporate teams that originally developed them, even though ownership has been transferred. Cilium is still being developed by paid Isovalent employees. I'm pretty sure Kubernetes is still maintained mostly by Google employees. Longhorn and k3s are maintained by SUSE employees. This isn't Red Hat's first foray. They bought CoreOS, which is the company that originally developed etcd, one of the oldest CNCF projects that even predates Kubernetes, and most of its maintainers are still employees of either Red Hat or Google.

Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by bjoli »

madspindel wrote: post #14
NewJazz wrote: post #5

Does podman support docker compose files well? Devs love them for local environments.

Try podman kube generate and podman kube play. Podman can generate a Kubernetes YAML, and then you can run it with kube play. I use it together with systemd in my home lab. It's Kubernetes for single node and without the bloat. I love it! https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/kubernetes-workloads-podman-s...

Being able to play around with kube files and then just shove them into a my-seevice.kube and execute them via systemd is really neat. The documentation is pretty OK as well: https://docs.podman.io/en/latest/markdown/podman-systemd.uni...

The only downside is that some things are not yet supported in quadlets, and that things don't map 1 to 1 between quadlets and the command line.

Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by j1mc »

I think people are missing the contribution of bootc and composefs. This is a big part of what undergirds Red Hat's new 'image mode' means of deployment. They're using container-related tooling to deploy whole operating systems, and it's a large part of where they're headed.

I write this to say, "This is not them dumping abandonware." To me, it's them putting these technologies under the supervision of a neutral third party to encourage adoption.

Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by [deleted] »

j1mc wrote: post #54

I think people are missing the contribution of bootc and composefs. This is a big part of what undergirds Red Hat's new 'image mode' means of deployment. They're using container-related tooling to deploy whole operating systems, and it's a large part of where they're headed. I write this to say, "This is not them dumping abandonware." To me, it's them putting these technologies under the supervision of a neutral thir…

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Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by duckmysick »

dbacar wrote: post #26

To all those interested in podman, this book by Daniel Walsh is a gem. Highly recommended and it is free. https://developers.redhat.com/e-books/podman-action

Important to note, this book is from early 2023 and supports Podman version 4.1. It's missing newer features like quadlets.

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/quadlet-podman

Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by [deleted] »

j1mc wrote: post #54

I think people are missing the contribution of bootc and composefs. This is a big part of what undergirds Red Hat's new 'image mode' means of deployment. They're using container-related tooling to deploy whole operating systems, and it's a large part of where they're headed. I write this to say, "This is not them dumping abandonware." To me, it's them putting these technologies under the supervision of a neutral thir…

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Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by preisschild »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #6

Reading about Keycloak and how long it is taking to patch critical vulnerabilities, I wonder is CNCF becoming how Apache was - where abandoned open source software goes to die.

I think being a CNCF project is better than not being one. It gives it more visibility and structure and thus is less likely to be abandoned.

But sure, unfortunately if not enough different companies and individiuals are maintaining stuff it gets abandoned.

Re: Red Hat to contribute container tech (Podman, bootc, ComposeFS...) to CNCF

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Post by gbraad »

vbezhenar wrote: post #28

Is CNCF new Apache foundation? Looks like everyone dumps their stuff there. Does not look promising. Am I missing something? Probably RedHat paid salary to podman developers, but who will pay salary to them now?

The podman team and my team, working in the virtualization side (Podman Machine), will continue doing so
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