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How is this different from popular vote?
It's not and that's the point. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is a way to choose the president by popular vote without the overhead of removing the electoral college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...
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Any of the states that aren't party to it could file suit, and the ones that are against it probably would. There's also the bald reality that the NPVIC does overall advantage one party and disadvantage the other, and that "other" party is known to have much more of an influence in the Supreme Court.
I don't know that I believe that it does disadvantage one party. After all, the "other" party did just get a majority in the popular vote.
I wish these sorts of suggestions were less on the end of "here's what would be better" and more on the end of "here's how it would be possible". Anything that requires a magic wand to enact is a bit of a waste of energy. Would love to see more actual action plans on how to enact the change though.
As stated in other comments, it would be actually easy to implement as it doesn't require a change in the constitution. Anyway, as I told in another comment, I'm not from the US, so my intention wasn't really to say how to implement the proposal. I just had this idea and wrote it down in a blog post.
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Yeah, spoiler vote brings to 2 parties (like the US). Although the current electoral college doesn't work well, I'm not sure the Americans would prefer to remove it completely and rather use directly popular vote because in the rural areas they don't want to be "governed" by the decisions of big cities. What do you think about keeping the electoral college and use IRV instead?
> Although the current electoral college doesn't work well, I'm not sure the Americans would prefer to remove it completely I think the electoral college is working as intended to balance out power between larger more powerful states and less powerful states. Though I also don’t believe the popular vote is necessarily ideal from the perspective of maintaining more diversity of thoughts and opinions which is useful fo…
While I often hear “land doesn’t vote”, people don’t consider that a farm will never have the same economic output as an office building with the same footprint. This includes the population that comes with all that employment. There needs to be a way to represent the less economically dense sectors of the country because otherwise cities will dominate everything.
Historically the electoral college was a compromise that allowed for the counting of slaves as 3/5 of a person for the purpose of taxation and voting without having them vote. Consider a state like South Carolina which at the time had about 50% of its population as black. How could the 3/5 of the 50% of the people get added to the total otherwise? Any method would be a hack, but this one had the benefit of being able…
I don't get the repeating of this perspective, didn't he win the popular vote this time? How did "small number of voters in 6 states" affect this reality?
Isn't winning the electoral college but not the popular vote a statistical minor occurrence? People don't know how to lose.
Lived through clinton, bush, obama, trump, biden, and now trump again. I've voted for three parties in my lifetime. I oppose any change to the electoral college, including interstate collusion agreements. The people I see get upset with it are hardcore Dem and Rep, depending on the year, who blame the failure to get elected on anyone except themselves.
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As stated in other comments, it would be actually easy to implement as it doesn't require a change in the constitution. Anyway, as I told in another comment, I'm not from the US, so my intention wasn't really to say how to implement the proposal. I just had this idea and wrote it down in a blog post.
How would you ensure that all fifty states adopt this approach at the same time?
big-green-man wrote a good comment about that
I wish these sorts of suggestions were less on the end of "here's what would be better" and more on the end of "here's how it would be possible". Anything that requires a magic wand to enact is a bit of a waste of energy. Would love to see more actual action plans on how to enact the change though.
As stated in other comments, it would be actually easy to implement as it doesn't require a change in the constitution. Anyway, as I told in another comment, I'm not from the US, so my intention wasn't really to say how to implement the proposal. I just had this idea and wrote it down in a blog post.
If it is easy, why hasn't it been done. Do you think that no one considered this approach?
Lived through clinton, bush, obama, trump, biden, and now trump again. I've voted for three parties in my lifetime. I oppose any change to the electoral college, including interstate collusion agreements. The people I see get upset with it are hardcore Dem and Rep, depending on the year, who blame the failure to get elected on anyone except themselves.
Exactly, it's always the sore losers who complain about this. There's are good reasons to keep the system as it is, regardless of who wins. But the discussion is always driven by losers.
I've read some of the reasons, but none sound good to me. What do you like about the electoral college?