author here, should you have questions!
What's the difference between social-app and the AppView?
social-app is the client side, AppView is the backend api surface
How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
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Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey pfraze, forgive my ignorance but what role does DID serve that DNS doesn't? My favorite part about bsky is using TXT record to prove that I control my domain for username purposes, what's the downside to just generating a keypair, and using the fingerprint of the public key as my identity? (Maybe with some affordance for key rotation vis a vis KERI*) Not doubting youall weighed every possibility, just wondering w…
Not Paul, but DID is a stable ID over time, whereas dns is not. This lets you change your handle without the network losing track of who you are. I was @steveklabnik.bsky.social before I was @steveklabnik.com, and when I made the switch, all of my previous stuff was still there. This is a fun party trick in some sense, but also a real meaningful feature in another. If I ever decide to move from steveklabnik.com to st…
DIDs are stable only in the context of a specific 'verifiable data registry' as the spec puts it.
https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/#dfn-verifiable-data-registry
DIDs delegate trust and authority to a data registry, in exactly the same way that DNS delegates trust and authority to ~ICANN.
The system model is exactly the same. The difference is only in the properties of the authoritative entity.
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not Paul, but DID is a stable ID over time, whereas dns is not. This lets you change your handle without the network losing track of who you are. I was @steveklabnik.bsky.social before I was @steveklabnik.com, and when I made the switch, all of my previous stuff was still there. This is a fun party trick in some sense, but also a real meaningful feature in another. If I ever decide to move from steveklabnik.com to st…
DIDs are stable only in the context of a specific 'verifiable data registry' as the spec puts it. https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/#dfn-verifiable-data-registry DIDs delegate trust and authority to a data registry, in exactly the same way that DNS delegates trust and authority to ~ICANN. The system model is exactly the same. The difference is only in the properties of the authoritative entity.
That's a good point: I was speaking in a more social manner. Because domains are human-readable, they tend to be used for humans. Bluesky could have chosen to just use domains, but I personally prefer that we have the additional layer of indirection. Plus like, you have the ability (at the low level, not really exposed in the UI in any meaningful way) to be multiple people: I can associate multiple domains with my DID.
That said, you're not wrong that a registry is a registry.
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#54Selfhosting is my hobby but I am also an SRE. I am hesitant to do this because the instruction is "too easy" -- "Simply open your firewall, download and run this installer.sh with sudo on your server and that's it!"[1]. How do I secure the webserver and the data? Where is the data on my disk? How to backup and restore? High availability? There might be detailed documentation somewhere, or I can even read the code. Bu…
I was about to do this as well but their installer sketched me out. Why can't it just be some easy to follow docker instructions? They use docker too but instructions to set it up on your own is basically "read the installer script".
Meanwhile mastodon is incredibly easy to self host w/ relays.
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes it's a SPOF. not sure about the second question, but i do know there are plans to transfer its ownership to an independent foundation
Transferring to an independent org is what we're talking about now, yes. The backstory to PLC is that we picked up the DID standard and looked for an existing registry-method that would satisfy requirements¹. None of them really did. We then surveyed mechanisms for decentralized operation: DHTs, open blockchains, permissioned blockchains, and federated databases. Of them, the two blockchain variants seemed perhaps pr…
>> "What can I say, some things take time and stakeholder-building."
The ongoing WordPress fiasco is a good sign of what happens when you set up an independent organization too soon. You won't have the people or the commitments from those people to maintain that independence, so the independent thing ends up not being able to do anything to protect the thing that was supposed to be independent from the commercial interests looking to exploit it.
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#56Is the actual guide just this Does that... bureaucracy of documentation not infuriate anyone else or is it just me. I guess I'll try and reset my password to bluesky website, assuming it's this .app one, but then it's asking me to maybe select a provider ... of my password.
Does whoemever made this user experience not have enough emotional intelligence realize how infuriating it is?
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#57Is it feasible to run a bluesky instance "on prem" and "offline" for instance as an airgapped corporate intranet ?
Great do I have to setup LDAP , oauth, and troubleshoot corporate-style single-signon systems for the next 6 months just to get a chat server running now....
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#58Is the actual guide just this Does that... bureaucracy of documentation not infuriate anyone else or is it just me. I guess I'll try and reset my password to bluesky website, assuming it's this .app one, but then it's asking me to maybe select a provider ... of my password. Does whoemever made this user experience not have enough emotional intelligence realize how infuriating it is?
This was a quick and dirty post I put together primarily for people who are already on Bluesky and have dev experience, and peppered with appropriate links where you have actual guides and/or documentation for each bit.
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#59It's great that you wrote this up! One thing I have found with many open source/selfhostable projects is just how much running them yourself can vary. It can go from a simple compose file with everything included to having to dig for obscure services and piece together how they all form the whole. For example, I recently looked into self hosting Zotero. It is so under documented and complex that there is almost no wa…
> For example, I recently looked into self hosting Zotero. It is so under documented and complex that there is almost no way one could self host that (even for just one user) without that being ones job. So one needs to make a distinction between something being open source and being feasible to use/maintain
Just for the benefit for anyone that want to go through this rabbit hole. You cannot selfhost Zotero. In theory but in practice it is no feasible. If you find their free storage limiting then store them on webdav (all clients support that).
zotero team explicity said that they don't see this as a priority [1] and with the release of zotero 7 and transition it is not realistic to think they will ever do.
[1] https://github.com/zotero/dataserver/issues/105#issuecomment...
Re: How to self-host all of Bluesky except the AppView (for now)
#60Is the actual guide just this Does that... bureaucracy of documentation not infuriate anyone else or is it just me. I guess I'll try and reset my password to bluesky website, assuming it's this .app one, but then it's asking me to maybe select a provider ... of my password. Does whoemever made this user experience not have enough emotional intelligence realize how infuriating it is?
> I guess I'll try and reset my password to bluesky website, assuming it's this .app one, but then it's asking me to maybe select a provider ... of my password.
It's asking what the host of your data is. If you're not running your own server, then the default value of Bluesky itself is the correct one.