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This is really important in my opinion. I've been growing most of my own produce for several years and I make sure all trace elements are present and available. It's a ton of work and makes no financial sense (it's not really cheaper when all is said and done) but at age 53 I feel a lot better than I did at age 38. I wish I could share this more widely but I think a lot of the worlds problems might be from lack of tr…

How do you ensure the trace elements are present and available? I assume there's some testing you can do for both the soil and the produce, but how do you fix any deficiencies that you discover?

I keep the pH within ranges that plants can uptake nutrients and apply both mineral and trace mineral supplements in sufficient quantities. Azomite for instance which I apply to working compost and calcium magnesium supplements. Additionally I apply other supplements like organic acids (fulvic and humic acid) which aid in the transport.

I also remove all minerals from irrigation water with RO and use an engineered growing medium rather than growing in native soil. But it's organic (and alive with microbes), not hydroponic or anything like that.

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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Nutrients is a very broad term. This article seems to be focused on just three. Is there a good reason to restrict analysis to just three “minerals”?

There is a dozen commonly known vitamins and minerals. There are over a hundreds. Where should an article stop?

Some number larger than three.

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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This is really important in my opinion. I've been growing most of my own produce for several years and I make sure all trace elements are present and available. It's a ton of work and makes no financial sense (it's not really cheaper when all is said and done) but at age 53 I feel a lot better than I did at age 38. I wish I could share this more widely but I think a lot of the worlds problems might be from lack of tr…

The older I get the more I appreciate how important good nutrition is for basically everything in your life. I started focusing on it more for climbing where I kept getting injured, injury used to set limit for me, now I hardly ever get injured or it's far more subtle and manageable. I feel way stronger and happier, and noticed other parts of me generally feeling healthier. I've been climbing for a very long time so…

I don't know about the specifics of the article I see a lot of "well, he doesn't cite sources!" type of comments and this may well be, however, in the general or the abstract this article hits on a number of important points. It's not just missing minerals, phytonutrients in particular often degrade rapidly. Mineral depleted soils are a real phenomenon and a tomato isn't necessarily fungible.

It's become a pet topic of mine and there is a lot more I could say about this (I have a bunch of theories) but will cut it short for now with this: I feel very healthy and I feel very happy. I wish others could experience the same type of things and I'd like to optimize it further.

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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This is really important in my opinion. I've been growing most of my own produce for several years and I make sure all trace elements are present and available. It's a ton of work and makes no financial sense (it's not really cheaper when all is said and done) but at age 53 I feel a lot better than I did at age 38. I wish I could share this more widely but I think a lot of the worlds problems might be from lack of tr…

The older I get the more I appreciate how important good nutrition is for basically everything in your life. I started focusing on it more for climbing where I kept getting injured, injury used to set limit for me, now I hardly ever get injured or it's far more subtle and manageable. I feel way stronger and happier, and noticed other parts of me generally feeling healthier. I've been climbing for a very long time so…

One theory I have (no idea just a theory) is that obesity and overeating are partially the result of missing nutrients.

Something close to 50% of Americans are deficient in Magnesium for instance. But there are a lot of trace minerals and nutrients and they interact to some extent.

Is it possible people are trying to get enough of "something" when they overeat and this leads to consuming too many calories? Maybe it's not a self control issue so much as you have to eat a lot of Domino's pizza to get what your body is lacking?

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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My one addition to this is that I wonder if this is part of the obesity crisis. If food is less nutritious, then logically we should eat more of it to get the nutrition we need. Excess calorie consumption could at least partially be a byproduct of our biological drive to acquire the lacking raw vitamins and minerals we need from the foods that we eat. This is undoubtedly exacerbated by eating processed foods, sure, b…

I've had the same thought and wonder if this is the likely long-term ticking time-bomb for GLP-1 agonists. Hunger is a check-engine light. Turning it off is a bad idea without a clear understanding of what is triggering it.

If your body is malnourished in a fundamental way, turning off the nutrient-seeking system is going to lead to a wide spectrum of pathological deficiencies over time.

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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My one addition to this is that I wonder if this is part of the obesity crisis. If food is less nutritious, then logically we should eat more of it to get the nutrition we need. Excess calorie consumption could at least partially be a byproduct of our biological drive to acquire the lacking raw vitamins and minerals we need from the foods that we eat. This is undoubtedly exacerbated by eating processed foods, sure, b…

Hey that was my idea!

I've thought exactly the same thing. To me it makes a lot of sense and bears investigating.

As I said in another comment, close to 50% of Americans are deficient in Magnesium for instance (or so I've read).

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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> If you walk into a booth and that vendor is selling over 5 types of produce, there's no way they all ripened at the same time. They may not even all be grown by them. Once, he actually saw a vendor at Boston farmers’ market selling carrots from Target! He could tell from the packaging because he used to work for them. I don't think this is true. In California and New York City, vendors at farmers markets can only s…

> I don't think this is true. In California and New York City, vendors at farmers markets can only sell what they grew themselves

Oh, the US. Do you really think Americans aren't (capable of being) corrupt? As in if it is not allowed, no one does it?

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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This article seems to lack common sense. Yes, the amount of Vitamin C will reduce the longer you store a vegetable or fruit in a fridge, but the amount of calcium and iron does not change. Nor does the the density of other minerals. Why is the author nominating Walmart as the winner based just on their speed to market? What about the other factors like soil degradation etc., which reflect the amount of iron and other…

Deep in the text they mention that a study looked at nutrient contents and Walmart was the best: “I learned this from talking to Brent Overcash, co-founder of a startup called TeakOrigin, which specialized in testing nutrient content in groceries from retail grocery stores. For years, every week, his team would walk into grocery stores, buy thousands of produce items the way normal consumers would, and bring them bac…

they did the testing, but those lab tests didn't conclude walmart was the best. That conclusion was based on supply chain speed.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The older I get the more I appreciate how important good nutrition is for basically everything in your life. I started focusing on it more for climbing where I kept getting injured, injury used to set limit for me, now I hardly ever get injured or it's far more subtle and manageable. I feel way stronger and happier, and noticed other parts of me generally feeling healthier. I've been climbing for a very long time so…

One theory I have (no idea just a theory) is that obesity and overeating are partially the result of missing nutrients. Something close to 50% of Americans are deficient in Magnesium for instance. But there are a lot of trace minerals and nutrients and they interact to some extent. Is it possible people are trying to get enough of "something" when they overeat and this leads to consuming too many calories? Maybe it's…

I'm sure there is some contribution of nutrient deficiency to obesity, nutrition is too complex to assume otherwise. However I'm not convinced it's the main driver, although the change in diet required to control intake usually improves nutrition as a side effect.

To be more concrete, the single correct part about "calories" is that the quantity matters, but the only practical road to keeping that under control is being naturally satiated, which is entirely about what you eat, everything else is a side effect of what. I know there are more complications when we are talking about people who grew up on very bad diets and have been obese all their entire lives - there's the psychological aspect and what the gut is used to that can take a long time to change - but putting that aside, the simplified extremes are:

1. You eat predominantly processed food based on carbs and sugar all day (90% of the isles in supermarkets, that also happen to be nutritionally empty but that's a another topic). You will always be hungry, because your body has been exposed to so much sugar that it never gets close to entering ketosis during the day, so as soon as you run out you immediately feel hungry. The only way to prevent overeating is pure will power, which is not sustainable for anyone, and extremely unpleasant.

2. You eat predominantly natural food, it has far higher fat and protein content, far less sugar, far less carbs. We are talking red meat, eggs, fish, milk, veg, nuts (lots of good fat). It's really hard to even intentionally over eat on these natural foods, and to eat too frequently, because it's so high in fat and protein and so low on carbs (relatively, it doesn't mean you can't have bread in your sandwich). Your body very easily enters ketosis between meals so you don't tend to get hungry easily outside of excessive exercise.

I'm a human being, I don't adhere to #2 strictly, but I try to make that my core diet, and the effects are really obvious. On the days I have some naughty cake or croissant or whatever, I notice how much hungrier I am all day, I just accept that, it's ok, I don't do it every day. Trying to control that hunger is futile and I get a taste of what it's like for all those poor obese people who unfortunately don't know this is the reason, I don't blame them, they are a product of their environment (food industry) and a lack of education.

Re: Nutrient levels in retail grocery stores

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post #59
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One theory I have (no idea just a theory) is that obesity and overeating are partially the result of missing nutrients. Something close to 50% of Americans are deficient in Magnesium for instance. But there are a lot of trace minerals and nutrients and they interact to some extent. Is it possible people are trying to get enough of "something" when they overeat and this leads to consuming too many calories? Maybe it's…

I'm sure there is some contribution of nutrient deficiency to obesity, nutrition is too complex to assume otherwise. However I'm not convinced it's the main driver, although the change in diet required to control intake usually improves nutrition as a side effect. To be more concrete, the single correct part about "calories" is that the quantity matters, but the only practical road to keeping that under control is be…

One thing I have learned gardening is the importance of microflora. Which we also have in our guts.

Another theory I have (again, no idea if it's true) is that when people consume carbohydrates as the bulk of their diet for length of time the gut microflora changes to species that prefer those. And they signal to the person "hey, you need some dinner rolls right now!".

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