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Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by david-gpu »

RoadRunner_23 wrote: post #19
virgildotcodes wrote: post #15

I wonder at the long term vision for humanity. We have AI replacing a lot of art, writing, coding, etc. We have a bunch of robotics companies racing to replace physical human labor. Waymo and Tesla replacing drivers. What role do the majority of people realistically play in this world?

Imagine these kind of robots in the home of of 2 or more kids. Roomba doing vacuuming, this robot doing laundry and folding. Parents would be spending quality time with her kids, helping them with their homework or helping with their practice - sports or music, instead of getting frustrated looking pile of laundry and kids don't have nothing to wear. Kids now have more questions due to quality engagement. So they wou…

I find household chores to be a welcome break from paying constant attention to our children. They are exhausting. We deserve some "me time".

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Post by steveoscaro »

jiggawatts wrote: post #27
owenpalmer wrote: post #11

At 2:54, it struggles to pick up the cloth for 10 seconds (100 seconds real-time). This may just be a software fix, but I wonder about the idea of exchanging tools for different tasks. In this case some kind of pincher-vacuum or roller-grip might have done the job better.

Picking up cloth with a robot remains firmly in the “unsolved hard problems” bucket. Use that to gauge the believability of industry heads predicting the timeline of “robots in every home”. I’m not even particular skilled at laundry but I can easily manipulate clothes in complex ways at speed. I can use a sudden flick to turn things inside out, or flat-fold a mattress cover. I suspect we’re at least five years away f…

The Tesla Optimus robot can already fold clothes...

With hands, not some purpose-designed tool.

It's slow but the trajectory of improvements is clear and rapid.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by SoftTalker »

RoadRunner_23 wrote: post #19
virgildotcodes wrote: post #15

I wonder at the long term vision for humanity. We have AI replacing a lot of art, writing, coding, etc. We have a bunch of robotics companies racing to replace physical human labor. Waymo and Tesla replacing drivers. What role do the majority of people realistically play in this world?

Imagine these kind of robots in the home of of 2 or more kids. Roomba doing vacuuming, this robot doing laundry and folding. Parents would be spending quality time with her kids, helping them with their homework or helping with their practice - sports or music, instead of getting frustrated looking pile of laundry and kids don't have nothing to wear. Kids now have more questions due to quality engagement. So they wou…

People who want to spend time with their kids make time to spend with their kids. Those who don't, don't. I don't think household chores are the blocker here.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by SoftTalker »

bamboozled wrote: post #18
virgildotcodes wrote: post #15

I wonder at the long term vision for humanity. We have AI replacing a lot of art, writing, coding, etc. We have a bunch of robotics companies racing to replace physical human labor. Waymo and Tesla replacing drivers. What role do the majority of people realistically play in this world?

I was down voted before for asking a similar question, I have no idea what the plan is but I struggle to understand what the future looks like when we literally have nothing to do. Why would I even bother with a hobby when a robot can do everything 10x better? Maybe just "enjoy nature" would be the best bet if we survive the robot wars.

> what the future looks like when we literally have nothing to do.

Dark. Very dark.

Look at neighborhoods where nobody has anything to do. They aren't places you would want to live, or even spend 5 minutes in.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by SoftTalker »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #40
bamboozled wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was down voted before for asking a similar question, I have no idea what the plan is but I struggle to understand what the future looks like when we literally have nothing to do. Why would I even bother with a hobby when a robot can do everything 10x better? Maybe just "enjoy nature" would be the best bet if we survive the robot wars.

I don't get this feeling... wouldn't you want to play soccer like Messi? Or play guitar like Hendrix? (etc..). There can be pleasure in being a spectator, but being a performer, at least to me, is 1000 times more fulfilling. I don't care if someone else can do it, even a robot... I want to do that myself! A society with more space for personal ambitions and less need to hustle for food sounds great to me.

You very likely don't have the talent to do those things that well. And now you'll have the time to prove it to yourself beyond any doubt.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by smolder »

jiggawatts wrote: post #27
owenpalmer wrote: post #11

At 2:54, it struggles to pick up the cloth for 10 seconds (100 seconds real-time). This may just be a software fix, but I wonder about the idea of exchanging tools for different tasks. In this case some kind of pincher-vacuum or roller-grip might have done the job better.

Picking up cloth with a robot remains firmly in the “unsolved hard problems” bucket. Use that to gauge the believability of industry heads predicting the timeline of “robots in every home”. I’m not even particular skilled at laundry but I can easily manipulate clothes in complex ways at speed. I can use a sudden flick to turn things inside out, or flat-fold a mattress cover. I suspect we’re at least five years away f…

> industry heads predicting the timeline of “robots in every home”.

The maid from The Jetsons is due in about 2018 by Elon's timeLIEn.

I think it's more like 30 years than 5 for that sort of intelligence to be practically deployable.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by smolder »

steveoscaro wrote: post #52
jiggawatts wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Picking up cloth with a robot remains firmly in the “unsolved hard problems” bucket. Use that to gauge the believability of industry heads predicting the timeline of “robots in every home”. I’m not even particular skilled at laundry but I can easily manipulate clothes in complex ways at speed. I can use a sudden flick to turn things inside out, or flat-fold a mattress cover. I suspect we’re at least five years away f…

The Tesla Optimus robot can already fold clothes... With hands, not some purpose-designed tool. It's slow but the trajectory of improvements is clear and rapid.

The Tesla Optimus is so far a special effect, not a real thing.

Currently you're better off hiring the person piloting the awkward robot to fold your clothes than having them pilot an unnecessary robot.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by nightski »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #38
virgildotcodes wrote: post #15

I wonder at the long term vision for humanity. We have AI replacing a lot of art, writing, coding, etc. We have a bunch of robotics companies racing to replace physical human labor. Waymo and Tesla replacing drivers. What role do the majority of people realistically play in this world?

Basic universal income makes sense to me. I imagine a society where everyone is free to create art or relax in hammocks all day. A basic universal income would not be enough to fund world travel, your fav consumer items, or ambitious projects, so I don't foresee it causing an intellectual meltdown in society as some fear-monger (As an aside: I speculate people afraid of this may likely be the actual lazy members of o…

There's no need for UBI imho. If the technology really advances to that point it will be very cheap to live.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by currymj »

bamboozled wrote: post #18
virgildotcodes wrote: post #15

I wonder at the long term vision for humanity. We have AI replacing a lot of art, writing, coding, etc. We have a bunch of robotics companies racing to replace physical human labor. Waymo and Tesla replacing drivers. What role do the majority of people realistically play in this world?

I was down voted before for asking a similar question, I have no idea what the plan is but I struggle to understand what the future looks like when we literally have nothing to do. Why would I even bother with a hobby when a robot can do everything 10x better? Maybe just "enjoy nature" would be the best bet if we survive the robot wars.

interestingly chess has made a huge comeback recently even though this was a widely-held attitude for a while after Deep Blue.

Re: Our First Generalist Policy

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Post by nightski »

SoftTalker wrote: post #54
bamboozled wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was down voted before for asking a similar question, I have no idea what the plan is but I struggle to understand what the future looks like when we literally have nothing to do. Why would I even bother with a hobby when a robot can do everything 10x better? Maybe just "enjoy nature" would be the best bet if we survive the robot wars.

> what the future looks like when we literally have nothing to do. Dark. Very dark. Look at neighborhoods where nobody has anything to do. They aren't places you would want to live, or even spend 5 minutes in.

Selection bias. There is no such thing as "having nothing to do". The "doers" are just preoccupied.
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