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AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by torginus »

redserk wrote: post #32
EdwardDiego wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it's a false dichotomy you present, it's not a binary choice of fully managed or entirely roll your own. E.g., if you're running K8s (one thing I typically recommend you buy a managed one of), you can install your own Kafka in it, using an operator that does about 85% of what MSK does. Sure, you'll need to dedicate person hours to support the operator, but is supporting that any more expensive than sup…

You can open a ticket and make the weirdest of issues with MSK Amazon’s problem to deal with. Same with RDS, etc. It’s pretty great not to waste time when the lottery for the bizarrest of 0.000001% issues arise. The operator only solves the happy path. An AWS support ticket usually can solve the unhappy path.

Can you? While Amazon support is one of the better ones, you are still asking for an hour or two of time from a support guy who has no idea about your usecases or internal systems.

They usually tend to be genuinely helpful but are a far cry from solving your issues themselves.

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by vishnugupta »

jasode wrote: post #19

>While AWS and Azure are industry leaders, their advantages often only materialize at massive scales. [...] Your comparisons are similar to many others out there that focus on measuring basic cpu and memory. This type of easy comparison where AWS/Azure/GCP is treated as a "dumb" datacenter is easy for alternatives like Hetzner or self-hosting to "win". >Do you really need the advanced features of AWS and Azure right…

This.

To add, if you every want to get ISO/PCIDSS etc certification done then good luck implementing gazillion check list items which Azure/AWS/GCP have already taken care of.

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by akdev1l »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #36
redserk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can open a ticket and make the weirdest of issues with MSK Amazon’s problem to deal with. Same with RDS, etc. It’s pretty great not to waste time when the lottery for the bizarrest of 0.000001% issues arise. The operator only solves the happy path. An AWS support ticket usually can solve the unhappy path.

Sure, but you can also go to a Slack channel and get help from the people who wrote the FOSS code you're using. For free. Yep, if your Kafka is mission critical and crashes hard, that is bad. But things like Kafka are _never_ a black box you just spin up and never worry about, if anyone thinks so, CAP theorem will give them an awful surprise one day. You're always going to need someone in your team who understands th…

> Sure, but you can also go to a Slack channel and get help from the people who wrote the FOSS code you're using. > > For free.

Relying on volunteer support of varying degrees of quality for your business sounds insane.

Also at that point the business should really be donating or contributing to the development of the software otherwise it is considered what we call a dick move.

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by JCM9 »

These types of articles always read like “yeah you could buy a Land Rover, but this Kia hatchback over here still gets you from A to B and is only a fraction of the cost.”

It seems lost on the authors that yes that might work for some folks just fine, but others really do want the Land Rover and all its additional baked in features beyond getting you from A to B.

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by Havoc »

deadbunny wrote: post #35
nik736 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? It's ECC RAM and a server grade motherboard. The only downside is 1 PSU, but you can buy 10x the amount of servers compared to AWS :-)

They're running ECC on consumer level Intel chips?

Just the amds

Plus Xeon’s ofc

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by 999900000999 »

AWS is like the tool I know. I pay roughly 30$ for a CaptainRover install running on Lightsail.

Hetzner starts at 50 Euro, only has servers and Europe and is going to require a ton more work.

AWS has the right idea, they give everyone who asks nicely thousands in free credits to get started. Then 2 years in your hooked. I don't want to learn a new system.

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by vishnugupta »

torginus wrote: post #51
redserk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can open a ticket and make the weirdest of issues with MSK Amazon’s problem to deal with. Same with RDS, etc. It’s pretty great not to waste time when the lottery for the bizarrest of 0.000001% issues arise. The operator only solves the happy path. An AWS support ticket usually can solve the unhappy path.

Can you? While Amazon support is one of the better ones, you are still asking for an hour or two of time from a support guy who has no idea about your usecases or internal systems. They usually tend to be genuinely helpful but are a far cry from solving your issues themselves.

Given that AWS has been around for nearly two decades they have probably encountered and have a workaround/fix for 99.99% of the use cases.

Of course there’s a minuscule possibility of you having a new use case. But is that good enough reason to build your infrastructure? That is a business call you need to make.

Re: AWS and Azure Are at Least 4x–10x More Expensive Than Hetzner

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Post by puterich123 »

Kostarrr wrote: post #18

Also note: traffic costs. On Hetzner, it's almost impossible to pay for traffic. Even their tiniest machine has 20 TB outgoing traffic (and unlimited incoming). If you used it up (you most probably wont), that's another 1,792 USD of costs saved by your tiny 4$/month VM compared to AWS. (At least if I was able to use the AWS cost calculator correctly). They will have object storage soon, but dont hold your breath for…

There is a nice one-click kubernetes for hetzner if you use the terraform module: https://github.com/kube-hetzner/terraform-hcloud-kube-hetzne...

There is also a gpt that you can use that will genereate you the module block based on your requirements.

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