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AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

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Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#51
Maybe I am just a natural skeptic, but whenever I see a headline that says 'method x reduces y by z%'; but when you read the text it instead says that optimizing some step 'could potentially reduce y by up to z%'; I am suspicious.

Why not publish some actual benchmarks that prove your claim in even a few special cases?

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Faster progress was absolutely worth it. Spending years agonizing over theory to save a bit of electric would have been a massive disservice to the world.

“A bit”?

Yes, a large amount for - in the grand scheme of things - a short period of time (i.e., a quantity of energy usage in an intense spike that will be dwarfed by energy usage over time) can accurately be described as “a bit”.

Of course, the impact is that AI will continue to become cheaper to use, and induced demand will continue the feedback loop driving the market as a result.

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#54

I wonder if someone has feed this entire "problem" into the latest Chat GPT-01 (the new model with reasoning capability), and just fed it in all the code for a Multilayer Perceptron and then given it the task/prompt of finding ways to implement the same network using only integer operations. Surely even the OpenAI devs must have done this like the minute they got done training that model, right? I wonder if they'd ev…

You are imaging LLMs are capable of much more than they actually are. Here's the only thing they are good for.

https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/112006855076082650

> You might be surprised to learn that I actually think LLMs have the potential to be not only fun but genuinely useful. “Show me some bullshit that would be typical in this context” can be a genuinely helpful question to have answered, in code and in natural language — for brainstorming, for seeing common conventions in an unfamiliar context, for having something crappy to react to.

> Alas, that does not remotely resemble how people are pitching this technology.

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#56

Maybe I am just a natural skeptic, but whenever I see a headline that says 'method x reduces y by z%'; but when you read the text it instead says that optimizing some step 'could potentially reduce y by up to z%'; I am suspicious. Why not publish some actual benchmarks that prove your claim in even a few special cases?

Because as disappointing as modern life is, you need clickbait headlines to drive traffic. You did the right thing by reading the article though, that's where the information is, not the title.

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#57
post #19

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Maybe it's possible, but consider that some really smart people, in many different groups, have been working diligently in this space for quite a while; so claims of 95% savings on energy costs _with equivalent performance_ is in the extraordinary category. Of course, we'll see when the tide goes out.

The energy claims up to ~70% can be verified. The inference implementation is here: https://github.com/microsoft/BitNet

How does the liked article relate to BitNet at all? It's about the “addition is all you need” paper which AFAIK is unrelated.

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#58

Maybe I am just a natural skeptic, but whenever I see a headline that says 'method x reduces y by z%'; but when you read the text it instead says that optimizing some step 'could potentially reduce y by up to z%'; I am suspicious. Why not publish some actual benchmarks that prove your claim in even a few special cases?

OTOH you have a living proof that an amazingly huge neural network can work on 20W of power, so expecting multiple orders of magnitude in power consumption reduction is not unreasonable.

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#59
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, all these smart people would rather pay NVIDIA all their money than make AMD viable. And yet they tell us its all MatMul.

Both companies are doing pretty well. Why don't you think AMD is viable?

AMD's ROCm just isn't there yet compared to Nvidia's CUDA. I tried it on Linux with my AMD GPU and couldn't get things working. AFAIK on Windows it's even worse.

Re: AI engineers claim new algorithm reduces AI power consumption by 95%

#60
The trend of hyping up papers too early on is eroding people's faith in science due to poor journalism failing to explain that this is theoretical. The outlets that do this should pay the price but they don't, because almost every outlet does it.
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